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Old 04-16-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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Not if his business services the public. You cannot deny service to someone because of something they are born with. Why the business owner cares about the sexual orientation of a paying customer is beyond me.
Let me ask you something, would you really want to buy a cake or take your car to someone that is being forced to serve you? Keep in mind they no longer have the option of refusing you service so you are going to have no idea what their views are. If you were the KKK do you think it would be a good idea to get a cake baked at a Jewish bakery? Just taking a wild guess but I'd bet there is going to be some special ingredients in that cake.

It's better these people are exposed for who they are, take your business elsewhere. Why would you want to put money into the pockets of someone that doesn't want your business becsue of who you are? That makes no sense to me.

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Old 04-16-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I would say the same about Muslims or Jews trying to deny service to others for idiotic reasons.
Which is still illegal. But how many people in this country actually live near a Muslim or Jewish established business? Probably a whole lot less than any Christian one. So of course the media isn't going to focus on that.

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Making excuses for having a double standard is dumb. If the media is ignoring Muslims in all of this, then they're being intentionally anti-Christian biased. We don't know how the laws and rules for all of this are going to shake out. There's a very real Constitutional conflict here. Freedom of religion vs equal protection under law. But whenever the rules and legalities do get sorted out, it must be enforced equally for Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

Democrats would prefer to protect devout Muslims and Orthodox Jews from any law that forces them to do anything the feel is against their religion. Why? Because Jews and Muslims are heavily allied with the Democrats.
It's not a double standard because it's not even the same issue. Christians, Muslims, and Jews are free to practice their religion. Usually at a religious establishment or at home. It is actually against the Constitution for religion to be practiced through government. As in, the government can't force everyone to go to church on Sunday or abide by Christian beliefs.

Businesses that aren't religious establishments (i.e., any place that pays taxes) have no authority to discriminate against their customers on the basis or race, gender, or orientation, or age. If it's really that hard for a business to operate without going against their owners belief, then maybe they should exercise the freedom to close their business and do something else.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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He's not shy about it either. He's really putting it out there citing his...what else? Christian faith (of course)!

You know...hate the sin, but "love the sinner." RIGHT?

From USA Today

Mich. shop owner refuses 'openly gay' people

Mich. shop owner allows guns, refuses 'openly gay' people
the guy deserves to lose his business.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:10 PM
 
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So you see nothing wrong with a Muslim cabdriver refusing to carry someone who's carrying alcohol or who has a dog?
That's going to be entirely dependent on where the service is located. If government is limiting the service and only issuing X amount cab licenses which is often the case then they should not be able to refuse to anyone. If it's a free market sytem and anyone can set up a cab company with an unlimited amount of cabs then certainly they should be able to refuse service to people. Some other company will step in and provide service.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Let me ask you something, would you really want to buy a cake or take your car to someone that is being forced to serve you? Keep in mind they no longer have the option of refusing you service so you are going to have no idea what their views are. If you were like the KKK do you think it would be a good idea to get a cake baked at a Jewish bakery? Just taking a wild guess but I'd bet there is going to be some special ingredients in that cake.

It's better these people are exposed for who they are, take your business elsewhere. Why would you want to put money into the pockets of someone that doesn't want your business becsue of who you are? That makes no sense to me.
No one is forced to own a business or work a job. It's usually something they sign up for. If they are being forced, then it's illegal and the business will be shut down.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Maybe he doesn't know anything about Priuses or the VW Jetta.
HAHAHA... good one.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Let me ask you something, would you really want to buy a cake or take your car to someone that is being forced to serve you? Keep in mind they no longer have the option of refusing you service so you are going to have no idea what their views are. If you were the KKK do you think it would be a good idea to get a cake baked at a Jewish bakery? Just taking a wild guess but I'd bet there is going to be some special ingredients in that cake.

It's better these people are exposed for who they are, take your business elsewhere. Why would you want to put money into the pockets of someone that doesn't want your business becsue of who you are? That makes no sense to me.
I wouldn't want that business to still be in business if it was discriminating against its clientele. I wouldn't just take my business elsewhere, I would let others know how and why their service is awful and how poorly their business practice is. That is how capitalism functions.

Though if a member of the KKK wanted a birthday cake that said "Happy Birthday Steve!" on it, I would expect the Jewish baker to still be able to bake that cake for the simple fact that the baker offers birthday cakes.

If a business has a problem with other people's sexual orientation, then it might be best if that business doesn't question what any of their paying customers' sexual orientation is.
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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I wouldn't want that business to still be in business if it was discriminating against its clientele. I wouldn't just take my business elsewhere, I would let others know how and why their service is awful and how poorly their business practice is. That is how capitalism functions.
Almost accurate, the only thing missing in this thought is you no longer have the ability to determine they are discriminatory when you force them to act non discriminatory. This really makes no sense to me.
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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Not if his business services the public. You cannot deny service to someone because of something they are born with. Why the business owner cares about the sexual orientation of a paying customer is beyond me.
Then why would a customer feel the need to make it known to a mechanic, or anyone else he/she/it may conduct business with on exactly how they need to use their genitalia in (what should be) the privacy of a bedroom?

Why does this need to be a public issue? Other than the drama that they all seem to feed on...
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