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Old 05-10-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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Pro Globalist =Pro American. We could make all we need with a small % of our population. Any ideas on what the rest do for a living?
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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There are no Pro Americans in DC, just Pro Globalists selling out their country.
By pro americans, you mean the tea party type who just want a white country? You mean the social conservatives who want nothing but Christians and straight people? You mean xenophobia?
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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Just wondering who the Cons are going to blame for this, after all it is Their Congress doing it.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:07 PM
 
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Pro American as in politicians legislating policy beneficial to all Americans rather than Nationless Corporations as the Constitution spells out.

All Trade Policies have been a disaster for the majority of Americans except the top wealthy elite.

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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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How bad is the TPP ?

Know your politician by whether or not he/she supports this.
It's a complete sellout of sovereign rights.
It's the most important issue, which is why corporate TV won't talk about it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tpp
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:12 PM
 
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Pro Globalist =Pro American. We could make all we need with a small % of our population. Any ideas on what the rest do for a living?
How does rewarding Corporations that move to China to exploit cheap labor and then selling back to us help our country out when we have workers that can make it?

When you go to a Communist Country to use their labor in their market place, eventually you run out of other peoples money which is the American Consumer.

Americans, who were the top consumers in the world are in debt up to their eye balls and are all tapped out and people wonder why the global economy is stagnating?

Boggle

Eventually you run out of other peoples money
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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How bad is the TPP ?

Know your politician by whether or not he/she supports this.
It's a complete sellout of sovereign rights.
It's the most important issue, which is why corporate TV won't talk about it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tpp


The majority of citizens are against the TPP

In fact, I have not run into one person outside the internet that is for it.

The best part is, the nation-less corporations can sue governments for lost profits.

So, the citizens who were not for it, aka tax payers, will be sued for lost profits.

That sounds like a continuation of more bail outs courtesy of the tax payer via force.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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  1. The treaty negotiations have violated all standards of transparency. For the last five years, hundreds of corporations and industry lobbyists have been intimately involved in the secret negotiations, but the public has learned very little about the agreement.
  2. The treaty would grant foreign corporations the same rights as foreign nations in challenging rules deemed unfair to trade. This would give corporations the ability to sue the United States for damages if standards and safeguards impeded money-making opportunities. These cases are heard in special, secretive corporate trade courts overseen by a panel of three judges, all of whom are corporate attorneys. These proceedings are biased against public protections from the start.
  3. The TPP itself undermines our right to know about the products we buy and the food we eat. It would become illegal to label products “non-GMO”, or even to provide country-of-origin labels on meat and seafood.
  4. It would be illegal to pass a financial transaction tax under the TPP. A financial transaction tax, or Wall Street Sales Tax, is a small fee placed on the purchase and sale of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other financial vehicles. In addition to raising hundreds of billions of dollars annually to support public investment, it also would rein in risky speculative activity on Wall Street while having little effect on long-term investors.
  5. Health care costs will rise. Drug firms would gain rights to extend patents, making cheaper generics harder to get. In addition, doctors discovering new surgical procedures would be able to patent their discoveries and charge a fee anytime another surgeon used them anywhere in the world.
  6. The TPP will accelerate U.S. job losses and shift more positions overseas. The TPP bans our government from implementing Buy American provisions in taxpayer-financed contracts. This would also mean that when public services are privatized, offshore employers would have to be considered on equal terms with those seeking to hire American workers. Thus, should the Social Security Administration outsource some of its call center functions, beneficiaries could end up talking to someone in Vietnam, China, or Singapore.
  7. It encourages businesses to move their operations to nations with few environmental or labor standards. Weak labor and environmental standards in some of the TPP signatory nations could create pressure to reduce U.S. public protections.

If You Thought Corporate Personhood Was Bad, Wait Until You See Corporate Nationhood in the New Trade Treaty | Center for Effective Government



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Old 05-10-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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The majority of citizens are against the TPP

In fact, I have not run into one person outside the internet that is for it.

The best part is, the nation-less corporations can sue governments for lost profits.

So, the citizens who were not for it, aka tax payers, will be sued for lost profits.

That sounds like a continuation of more bail outs courtesy of the tax payer via force.
As the saying goes, out with the old boss - in with the new boss, can't tell the players without a score card these days.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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  1. The treaty negotiations have violated all standards of transparency. For the last five years, hundreds of corporations and industry lobbyists have been intimately involved in the secret negotiations, but the public has learned very little about the agreement.
  2. The treaty would grant foreign corporations the same rights as foreign nations in challenging rules deemed unfair to trade. This would give corporations the ability to sue the United States for damages if standards and safeguards impeded money-making opportunities. These cases are heard in special, secretive corporate trade courts overseen by a panel of three judges, all of whom are corporate attorneys. These proceedings are biased against public protections from the start.
  3. The TPP itself undermines our right to know about the products we buy and the food we eat. It would become illegal to label products “non-GMO”, or even to provide country-of-origin labels on meat and seafood.
  4. It would be illegal to pass a financial transaction tax under the TPP. A financial transaction tax, or Wall Street Sales Tax, is a small fee placed on the purchase and sale of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other financial vehicles. In addition to raising hundreds of billions of dollars annually to support public investment, it also would rein in risky speculative activity on Wall Street while having little effect on long-term investors.
  5. Health care costs will rise. Drug firms would gain rights to extend patents, making cheaper generics harder to get. In addition, doctors discovering new surgical procedures would be able to patent their discoveries and charge a fee anytime another surgeon used them anywhere in the world.
  6. The TPP will accelerate U.S. job losses and shift more positions overseas. The TPP bans our government from implementing Buy American provisions in taxpayer-financed contracts. This would also mean that when public services are privatized, offshore employers would have to be considered on equal terms with those seeking to hire American workers. Thus, should the Social Security Administration outsource some of its call center functions, beneficiaries could end up talking to someone in Vietnam, China, or Singapore.
  7. It encourages businesses to move their operations to nations with few environmental or labor standards. Weak labor and environmental standards in some of the TPP signatory nations could create pressure to reduce U.S. public protections.

If You Thought Corporate Personhood Was Bad, Wait Until You See Corporate Nationhood in the New Trade Treaty | Center for Effective Government



Which is all about taking away consumer choice and citizen participation

Those that are for the TPP are fascists.
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