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Old 04-23-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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Openly worship in public...
They weren't charged with religious crimes, but rather with "trespassing for failing to obtain a permit to conduct a “demonstration or gathering in or upon any state buildings or grounds”

The could have been reading from Das Kapital or God is Dead and the result would have been the same.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:07 PM
 
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Bentbow, perhaps I am wrong but my impression is that you really don't care to actually discuss the issue that you've raised but are instead simply interested in impressing the rest of us with your personal point of view. Now if I am wrong, I apologize but if I am not, just say so and I will unsubscribe and move on to another topic.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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I don't believe in magic. You are free to do so, of course.
Why would you speak of that which you don't believe. No one mentioned Magic.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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They weren't charged with religious crimes, but rather with "trespassing for failing to obtain a permit to conduct a “demonstration or gathering in or upon any state buildings or grounds”
Which you should never have to do.

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The could have been reading from Das Kapital or God is Dead and the result would have been the same.
And still wrong.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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The relation is in a secular society. The fact is secular nations have faced no ill effect due their lack of religious involvement in government or a lack of a religious populous. Why? Apparently no god seems to care. The most secular nations are among the most prosperous. In Europe the more secular nations are the more successful ones. The same is true in South America.
Fortunately Mike, we are not a Secular Nation....

At his first inauguration, George Washington took the oath of office for the presidency on April 30, 1789. He was standing on the balcony of Federal Hall in New York City with his hand on an open Bible. After he finished taking the oath, the audience in attendance gave a thunderous ovation and bells of the various churches began ringing in his honor. After his oath of office was completed, he went to deliver his inaugural address to Congress.
In his address Washington said, No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States.

Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency;


It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations and whose providential aide can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes

We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained; and since the preservation of sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered as deeply, perhaps finally, staked of the experiment...

After the address, The first official Joint session of Congress with Our first President was held in a Church for PRAYER!
Anyone care to guess where this Church was located?
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:50 PM
 
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Which you should never have to do....And still wrong.
It is and it isn't. One has the freedom to speak your mind, but their is a competing and valid public interest for maintaining order in public places which is why the rightness or wrongness is dependent upon the specific facts.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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It is and it isn't. One has the freedom to speak your mind, but their is a competing and valid public interest for maintaining order in public places which is why the rightness or wrongness is dependent upon the specific facts.
One can protest without disturbing the public.
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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Fortunately Mike, we are not a Secular Nation....

At his first inauguration, George Washington took the oath of office for the presidency on April 30, 1789. He was standing on the balcony of Federal Hall in New York City with his hand on an open Bible. After he finished taking the oath, the audience in attendance gave a thunderous ovation and bells of the various churches began ringing in his honor. After his oath of office was completed, he went to deliver his inaugural address to Congress.
You confuse the acts of person(s) with the official policy of the nation. You and others who share your opinion have yet to identify a single, regulation, law, statute, ordinance, or court opinion that makes the slightest allusion or hint of religious dicta. Without such evidence your argument is absolutely baseless.
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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One can protest without disturbing the public.
Is it really necessary to repeat my point by stating the obvious?
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:04 PM
 
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Is it really necessary to repeat my point by stating the obvious?
One should never have to get a permit to protest.
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