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Old 04-20-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Then the min. wage should be abolished, so they can get paid $4 an hour, or less.
I agree.

If the market will allow a business to operate paying it's employees $4.00/hr than let it.

But if the business next door makes a better product and therefore is willing to pay those same employees $6.00/hr, then that business will be the one customers wish to buy from and people aspire to work for.

If public opinion makes customers and workers flock to the higher paying business then it will flourish and the lower paying one will go out of business.

Something else that I don't think people who advocate raising minimum wage really understand is that when prices inevitably go up and the jobs get cut, everyone is affected.
But the ones who are the most affected are the ones who can least afford it.

Think about it....who eats more fast food than anyone else? Poor-middle class people....that's who.
How many Big Macs do you think the CEO of McDonalds chokes down every year? My guess would be ZERO.

The whole concept of minimum wage creates a culture of mediocrity and a never ending cycle that if allowed to continue will eventually necessitate a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy an inevitabley crappier and crappier happy meal.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Since when did $15/hr become a good pay for a job that requires trained skills? Maybe that is the problem in this country when people think $15/hr is a good paying job in today's world.
No, the problem in this country is that people think the government should control wages, prices and profits.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The free market is a joke.

If there was no minimum wage, the majority of employers would lower their salary expenses to increase their profits, while taxpayers picked up the tab for the increased amount of social welfare programs an employee making $5 an hour would require.

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Not true at all. Employers don't consider welfare at all when determining wages.

Try again.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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The wages one can truly move up the ladder aren't there at least right now. You could in the past rise up from $2.90 minimum wage to say $20.00 an hour but now wages have stagnated so you maybe locked out at say 35k a year tops.
Hint: Improve your skills beyond the hourly wage set. Learn a trade. A real one. If you chose the academic route, don't study art history or philosophy. Research a range of fields which interest you. Find one in which you could be happy and earn a good wage. Develop skills which are in demand, and will remain so, and you'll never have to look for the "Now Hiring" signs.

Where there's a will, there's a way.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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If minimum wage is what kills a business, then that business wasn't worth having to begin with. Sorry, I don't feel sorry for failure businesses. So when an employee asks for a raise, is that what the employer should tell them, increasing their wage is just cooking a frog with cold water?
Great! Let's do it then. I have never seen someone who is so early to shoot themselves in the foot. I can't wait, seriously.

No, only when the government increases the wage arbitrarily and threats anybody who won't comply with fines and jail time, that's the frog cooking.

A few employees ask for a raise, that's just the normal course of business.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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What abut economic downturns whether it is localized (oil boom/buat towns) or more national where their resources are drained? You may think that this it's a silly what if but a LOT of charities had issues with people donating to them during the most recent recession. If there are more people needing than putting in, what do we do fir those that need charitable organizations but are limited due to resources?
If people cannot afford to give to charities, how can they afford to pay taxes to support others?

BTW, without government intervention, recessions would be quite short.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, the problem in this country is that people think the government should control wages, prices and profits.
In the sense of setting up minimums one can pay another person....nothing is stopping your employer from paying you the least they can pay you as long as it is at or above the minimum.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Great! Let's do it then. I have never seen someone who is so early to shoot themselves in the foot. I can't wait, seriously.

No, only when the government increases the wage arbitrarily and threats anybody who won't comply with fines and jail time, that's the frog cooking.

A few employees ask for a raise, that's just the normal course of business.
Well you let me know when you figure out when mass layoffs have happened due to minimum wage going up, it should be easy for you to do seeing you are so afraid of what any increase of minimum wage will do.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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The free market is a joke.

If there was no minimum wage, the majority of employers would lower their salary expenses to increase their profits, while taxpayers picked up the tab for the increased amount of social welfare programs an employee making $5 an hour would require.
So why do the vast majority of employers pay above minimum wage? By your "reasoning" the only reason they even pay the current minimum is because government forces them to pay it. Why would any business currently paying above minimum wage lower their wages just because the minimum dropped out? Reducing minimum wage doesn't make someone who can weld, or operate heavy equipment or program any less valuable.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Workers might then be able to afford the exorbitant rents which prevail these days.
And what do you think that rent would do right about the same time as the minimum wage went up? What do you think basic food prices would do? In fact, what do you think just about all prices would do? And as soon as they did, you'd be moaning about needing higher wages again. It does no good, period. All it does is raise the price of everything and actually reduce spending power. The minimum wage should go down, not up.


Besides, the far left (aka government + members of their soporific collective) wants the higher minimum wage for... what again??? Well, it has nothing to do with people being able to achieve a higher standard of living. It has everything to do with the fact that a given Revenue Generation Device (that would be anyone who works for pay) will provide more revenue to the government if it is making $15 per hour rather than $7 per hour. Follow the money and government and you'll see the true motivation.

The trick is live on next to nothing (work just enough to support yourself, thus keeping yourself in a lower tax bracket). Then you can give the finger to the IRS each April AND you are not supporting those who could earn their keep, but refuse to work, letting everyone else pay their way. And you are not paying for a myriad of other things the government blows YOUR money on, but should have nothing to do with in the first place.
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