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Old 04-22-2015, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No. Companies have no humanity. I buy stocks based on the expectation of growth and/or dividends. Not humanity.

Apple is a wonderful investment because they deliver growth. End of story.
A company has less humanity than the Vision in Marvel Comics yet can beliefs like a person. How does that work?
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:28 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Zoning is NOT the same as HOA.

Nothing wrong with HOA.

Zoning is very wrong when government engages in class warfare and redistributes from renters to owners.

Private redistribution = okay.

Government redistribution = not okay.
That is a narrow distinction to make there. HOAs do not exist without government. There could be no private equivalent of an HOA without the government intervention that creates them.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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A company has less humanity than the Vision in Marvel Comics yet can beliefs like a person. How does that work?
A company can try to have humanity as part of it's charter and that is certainly an admirable trait....but it cannot base it's business model on it.

The biggest and most humanitarian orphanage in the world can only care for so many children, regardless of how many children are in need.

Businesses exist for one reason and one reason only, and that is to make a profit.
If they are not allowed to fulfill that primary function, they cease to exist.......it is that simple.

Businesses cannot pay employees based on the needs of the employee simply because the market does not allow it......it has nothing to do with being humanitarian because businesses are not designed to be engines of social justice.

It comes down to simple mathmatics:
If the market will sustain your business selling a product at $5.00 you cannot bear a cost of more than $5.00 to make a product and remain in business. Labor is a huge portion of the cost of any product, especially products made in America, so when minimum wage goes up it raises the cost of doing business in a substantial way and the only way to offset that cost is to raise prices and or reduce labor.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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A company can try to have humanity as part of it's charter and that is certainly an admirable trait....but it cannot base it's business model on it.

The biggest and most humanitarian orphanage in the world can only care for so many children, regardless of how many children are in need.

Businesses exist for one reason and one reason only, and that is to make a profit.
If they are not allowed to fulfill that primary function, they cease to exist.......it is that simple.

Businesses cannot pay employees based on the needs of the employee simply because the market does not allow it......it has nothing to do with being humanitarian because businesses are not designed to be engines of social justice.

It comes down to simple mathmatics:
If the market will sustain your business selling a product at $5.00 you cannot bear a cost of more than $5.00 to make a product and remain in business. Labor is a huge portion of the cost of any product, especially products made in America, so when minimum wage goes up it raises the cost of doing business in a substantial way and the only way to offset that cost is to raise prices and or reduce labor.
I think you missed the point. The point is with citizens United, and to an extent the Hobby Lobby lawsuit, they are treated like individuals even though emotionally they are not (well unless they are Vulcan or something stoic like that.)

As for what the market allows part of that was hurt through trade agreements like NAFTA and off-shoring jobs to China, India, South Korea, Indonesia, etc. just because it helps the company bottom line. Add in corporate raiders who night businesses to add to the portfolio and fire 90% off the workforce, high unemployment and limited jobs due to budgets, we have drastically low wages because of the manufacturing jobs gone and replaced by McJobs.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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That is a narrow distinction to make there. HOAs do not exist without government. There could be no private equivalent of an HOA without the government intervention that creates them.
If you don't ignore him, any chance he gets, he will argue with you about zoning till there's no tomorrow. :-)
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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Republicans in Michigan created a "nonhomestead" property tax. This makes the school property tax rate on nonhomestead property 4x the rate on homesteads.

Republicans want homeowners to keep their own money while being generous to spend everyone else's money. Michigan Republicans must be liberals.
Someday you may understand the difference between a home and a business.....
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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A company can try to have humanity as part of it's charter and that is certainly an admirable trait....but it cannot base it's business model on it. .
Some businesses use compassion and empathy as part of their business model (some ice cream companies do this) and it works in some cases. But the final objective is to make money for it's stakeholders.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You say that now until the market sets your wage well below what you think you should be making.
It never has and it never will since the market defines what I think I should be making. How can anyone decide what their labor is worth without looking at the market?
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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True, wages are mostly arbitrary anyways.
Actually, they are not. Start a business and hire employees and you will see how ridiculous your comment is.
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Old 04-22-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It never has and it never will since the market defines what I think I should be making. How can anyone decide what their labor is worth without looking at the market?
Ah yes, every right winger on city data is a business owner.
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