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Old 09-03-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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Slavery is a huge stain on US history. It was Americans that held slaves in the US, not Brits or Spaniards. And as such they are also responsible for the demand they created and the millions killed, many of which were thrown overboard alive when they got sick on the ships, which was common.

Of course Indians had a concept of land ownership.

The difference is that whites were more advanced when they stole the land from aborinal people during colonial times, while those coming to Europe today are less advanced, they are not here to take over Europe or whatever people keep suggesting.

Wrong, there is nothing socialist whatsoever about Sweden. Socialism is pretty well defined. Europe has market economies, which are very old, way older than the US.
I just don't see it that way, to the contrary, the US/Nato have made wars more likely, like currently with Russia. Had Nato stayed out of Eastern Europe as agreed upon with Russia, we would not even have to deal with a nationalist Russia, nor with Putin. Russia might even be part of the EU by now. The West wasted that historic opportunity just in order to feed the weapons industry.

I speak different languages on different boards, English is just one of them. The Internet and the whole IT world is based on technologies from various countries. All my music files for instance are mp3, which was developed by Germans if I am not mistaken. The Swiss have also played a big role with Internet protocols.

Indeed, I have a certain idea of high culture, and most American culture certainly doesn't fall in that category. High culture is indeed old culture, or based on old culture. If any culture were high culture, the term high culture would be superfluous.

From Europe to Britain and America?! Britain IS Europe as well.
I have to wonder if such monumental historical ignorance and error is due to an actual lack of education or access to the facts or is simply another demonstration of European anti-American bigotry based on the jealously and fear that certain Europeans have held toward the US since its inception. A lot of what you say is simply the warmed over tripe that some Europeans have been spouting for over 200 years.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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So you'd rather have lots of humans die what are likely to be horrible deaths than help prevent those births in the first place...just because "YOUR people" learned to control their breeding eventually - and now Africans should follow the example of "your" people.

1. First, you would be a nasty, wretched soul whom I should not dignify with an answer if you really felt that way. I choose to believe you don't. So here you are, being dignified.

2. Second, your analogy is very poor. The conditions under which "your people" "learned" to control their breeding were very different than the ones these people will have. If you heard of that thing called "history", it was not poverty that caused "your" people to slow down breeding.

3. Are you sure "your" people learned said control? For the kind of society they inhabit (modern, developed, individualistic) their breeding rates are quite high, as far as I am concerned. I know more families of Scott-Irish descent than I care to with more than their western share of kids.
Wow, so your preferred solution to all geopolitical problems is abortion on a massive scale? You really are sick.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I have to wonder if such monumental historical ignorance and error is due to an actual lack of education or access to the facts or is simply another demonstration of European anti-American bigotry based on the jealously and fear that certain Europeans have held toward the US since its inception. A lot of what you say is simply the warmed over tripe that some Europeans have been spouting for over 200 years.
Think whatever you want, just like I do...
I just don't think much of the US for many reasons...
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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Think whatever you want, just like I do...
I just don't think much of the US for many reasons...
You're certainly free to think whatever you like. However, you're way beyond that with your fabrication and revision of history. It simply shows that your ideology and bigotry are not impacted by actual facts and consequently nothing you say can be taken seriously.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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You're certainly free to think whatever you like. However, you're way beyond that with your fabrication and revision of history. It simply shows that your ideology and bigotry are not impacted by actual facts and consequently nothing you say can be taken seriously.
Again, think what you want, I don't care about your brainwashed opinion...

Nor is this thread about the US, why are we even talking about all that crap?!
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:41 PM
 
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That is totally unrealistic. Not only would it take lots of planes, there would also be legal issues. One can't send Syrians back to a country where there is a civil war. And why would any other Muslim countries accept them? Just because a country is Muslim, does not mean it feels any more obliged to help Muslim refugees than a European country does. SA, Iran etc. want Syrian refugees as little as France or Greece does.
That whole Muslim brotherhood thingy is just empty talk, it only serves when bragging about the percentage of Islam in the world, but Muslim people as such care as little or even less about each other than people in the West do. There is no Muslim loyalty or whatever. Why does none of those filthy rich Arab countries help the Palestinians in Gaza etc.? There is also a lot of racism and tribalism among Muslims, Arab Muslims look down on black African Muslims for instance.
It's the best way to handle this situation and discourage people from coming to the EU. The rich oil nations can fund it and would more than welcome these people. UAE always has a need for labor. The language and culture are the same vice the EU cultures and languages.

Islamic nations always brag how peaceful, loving etc..they are. It's time to put up or shut up. Don't give them a choice. Shame them into taking refugees. Enough of this disaster.
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Old 09-03-2015, 04:51 PM
 
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Think whatever you want, just like I do...
I just don't think much of the US for many reasons...
You need to remember something here: Europe tore itself up real bad 70 years ago and, the people woke up and realized they needed to stand together with the US keeping Germany in line, the fear of Russia was the other reason.

Too; except for England and maybe France, NO country over there has to support a huge military because the US protects them Take away the US and; I'd lay lots of serious money that Europe would've had another all out war since 1945 and WE would have to go there AGAIN and, tell Europe to "grow up".
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Old 09-03-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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You need to remember something here: Europe tore itself up real bad 70 years ago and, the people woke up and realized they needed to stand together with the US keeping Germany in line, the fear of Russia was the other reason.

Too; except for England and maybe France, NO country over there has to support a huge military because the US protects them Take away the US and; I'd lay lots of serious money that Europe would've had another all out war since 1945 and WE would have to go there AGAIN and, tell Europe to "grow up".
That's nonsense. Nobody knows what would happen if this and that...
The US has long become the problem in Europe, and the whole world actually. It has benefited big time from the occupation of Europe.
Apart from that, if Europeans want to have wars, it is their business. It is their right to kill each other if that is what they want just like Europeans would not intervene if there were a war within the US. The problem with the world wars was the silly blocks and alliances, without them those wars would have been much smaller or not happened at all.
If you mean not having wars by growing up, the US is clearly the child here as can be witnessed over the past 70 years or so.

Again, why are we even having this discussion here? It doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:22 PM
 
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That's nonsense. Nobody knows what would happen if this and that...
The US has long become the problem in Europe, and the whole world actually. It has benefited big time from the occupation of Europe.
Apart from that, if Europeans want to have wars, it is their business. It is their right to kill each other if that is what they want just like Europeans would not intervene if there were a war within the US. The problem with the world wars was the silly blocks and alliances, without them those wars would have been much smaller or not happened at all.
If you mean not having wars by growing up, the US is clearly the child here as can be witnessed over the past 70 years or so.

Again, why are we even having this discussion here? It doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
People are responding to what you said in this thread.

Now you tell them they can't reply to what you said?

I believe this thread has been merged with another thread, which probably accounts for the confusion.

Your anti-U.S propaganda has already been shown to be a fairy tale.

No point in going there again, unless you insist on it.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:29 PM
 
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It's the best way to handle this situation and discourage people from coming to the EU. The rich oil nations can fund it and would more than welcome these people. UAE always has a need for labor. The language and culture are the same vice the EU cultures and languages.

Islamic nations always brag how peaceful, loving etc..they are. It's time to put up or shut up. Don't give them a choice. Shame them into taking refugees. Enough of this disaster.
They never will do that voluntarily.

They've had 67 years to take in the Palestinians and have refused. So the Palestinians live in misery and poverty.

They want everyone except themselves to be miserable for as long as Israel exists.

You can't shame someone who uses his friend as a pawn.

You can't shame Muslims who use Palestinian Muslims as pawns.
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