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No, it would be like replacing a system where everybody decides whether they want a road in front of their house with a system where everybody is required to build a road that connects on either side of it.
FAIL..
Your analogy falls flat because it would be like 10% of the nation not having access to roads at all, Post ACA, while we spent $1.7 trillion moving all the roads to the back yard in order to give everyone access to roads, then celebrating the success, even though that the same number of people still cant access the roads.
About 30% of Americans want the ACA (Obamacare) repealed, at this point. Americans are starting to see the benefits of this law now, with 90% of Americans now insured, and healthcare cost increases are increasing at a decreasing rate.
By late 2016, at least 20 million Americans will have Obamacare and will NOT want to vote Republican.
"..Now, a new report from the minority staff of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce has destroyed the foundation of that particular GOP claim. It projects that only 10,000 people will lose coverage because of the ACA and be unable to regain it..."
"..Now, a new report from the minority staff of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce has destroyed the foundation of that particular GOP claim. It projects that only 10,000 people will lose coverage because of the ACA and be unable to regain it..."
It was "projected" to save us $2500 by the Majority staff which is now the minority staff. It didn't happen.
About 30% of Americans want the ACA (Obamacare) repealed, at this point. Americans are starting to see the benefits of this law now, with 90% of Americans now insured, and healthcare cost increases are increasing at a decreasing rate.
By late 2016, at least 20 million Americans will have Obamacare and will NOT want to vote Republican.
Thoughts?
35 million Americans are without health insurance. What are we going to do? Arrrrrggggg
So I take it you will be refusing to accept Medicare when you're older?
That is not always so clear cut. I get murdered financially by Medicare. I had vastly better corporate insurance before I turned 65. Then I and my wife as we came from the same employer got murdered on the cost of insurance in retirement. We pay about 800 per month for insurance well inferior to what we had before retirement for free...and that earlier retirees have to this day.
I am not knocking Medicare which does a reasonably good job. Just that my private enterprise plan was much better until Medicare became available and the Corporation was allowed to dump us on it.
If Medicare had been the standard when we started working we would be much better off as we would have negotiated payments and additions to Medicare to avoid get whacked when we retired. But the way it worked out the deal we had with the corporation vanished into the Medicare scenario. And the corporation passed to the cost to us.
The option that is a like-for-like comparison to "repeal" is "keep as is", which happens to have a whopping 22 percent in favor of that. 30 percent is not only larger than 22 percent it's a lot larger, so a lot more Americans are in favor of getting rid of it than keeping it*. The real story is that 78 percent of Americans are not pushing what Obama and the Democrats are pushing, which is implementing it as is** because it's so wonderful and the American public are just too stupid to understand the virtuous brilliance of Obama signing a bill written by insurance lobbyists colluding with government to usurp every individual's health choices that was rammed through Congress with bribes.
*Indeed, every single poll that has been taken in recent years has shown 60% have an unfavorable view of it versus 40% that are favorable, which is the best statistic there is since we're talking about one specific plan here, not hypothetical future ones that may differ from what we've got. In fact at no point have more had a favorable view than an unfavorable view since it was first introduced. Another like-for-like comparison, one that Obama himself likes to make, is between the Obamacare system and the previous system. Given the choice 55% prefer the previous system to Obamacare versus 34% that prefer Obamacare to the previous system (source, page 3). In addition to that, less people give good or excellent ratings to their health care than they did before Obamacare (source). Does that look like a public that don't want to get rid of Obamacare?
**Whatever "is" means after Obama's unilateral lawmaking anyway.
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Originally Posted by mohawkx
That's true. Republicans want it ended for political reasons. Liberals are not happy with it because it is not single payer system and didn't go far enough. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that it is here to stay in one form or another, except for the far right wingers.
Why should something be here to stay if we don't want it? Just who's running the American government anyway? It's certainly not the people, since if they had their way the bill would never have become law and Americans have voted in three national elections with that as a top issue since then, yet even the slightest action against it from within the government remains paralyzed. This is exactly why the Tea Party say they want to take their country back, because of little dilemmas like this that reveal how little practical control the people have over their own government, which now opposes the people.
Now, it seems that the political class voters' views are much closer to the views of those in power; as of 2010 86% of political class voters opposed repeal. This is very close to both your and the media's characterization of "pretty much everyone", except for the fact that these people are 6% of the electorate. Among mainstream/populist voters (the opposite of the political class), who are 58% of the electorate, 73% favored repeal (source). So between those who walk the halls of power and their commoner skeptics we had a whopping 118 point gap (-72 among political class vs. +46 among mainstream when it comes to repealing Obamacare).
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I had almost forgotten about the worthless GOP plans to replace ACA - purchase insurance across state lines and tort reform. Like either of those would actually help someone obtain coverage.
The Republican plan to replace ACA or help people without health insurance has always been more tax cuts for the rich and vaporware.
The fact is they do have plans; whether you like them or not, whether you believe they will work or not, even whether they will actually work or not is irrelevant to the question "do Republicans have health plans of their own?" which people like you always answer "no" to. That is false answer. It is frankly quite arrogant of you and your pro-Obamacare political faction to redefine what "plan" means to suit your own perspective, as if no others, right or wrong, could possibly exist among participants in American political discourse.
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