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Old 04-23-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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When I went to school, admittedly long ago, it was always my observation that people in numeric-oriented fields, whether engineering, economics, finance, or computers, tended to be conservative, while those in word and image-oriented fields, whether languages, arts, or history, tended to be liberal. Obviously it's not 100%, but it was a trend. I never ran into a Marxist in the economics department, but they were all over the history and English departments.
I agree with economics and finance, but not computers-- Bill Gates is an enormous liberal.
I would also say that most intellectuals are left wing.

One of the reasons American culture leans to the right is because it is inherently anti-intellectual.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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When I went to school, admittedly long ago, it was always my observation that people in numeric-oriented fields, whether engineering, economics, finance, or computers, tended to be conservative, while those in word and image-oriented fields, whether languages, arts, or history, tended to be liberal. Obviously it's not 100%, but it was a trend. I never ran into a Marxist in the economics department, but they were all over the history and English departments.
I think you are right.

I am the only conservative artist, all my artist friends are liberals. I dated two engineers, both are conservative.

My own theory is this, In recent years, the dividing point has become open-mindedness, which suggests conservatives are, unflatteringly, defined by being closed-minded. So many artists believe they are liberals. (hence, trendy) It is not politically correct for me to say, but.. oh well, I know this is the truth. Many artists (especially the very successful ones) are closet conservative, although they will NEVER admit it.

when you really think about it, “To conserve” means “to save.” Nothing wrong with it.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Japan
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I would argue exactly the opposite, if by 'conservative' you mean grass roots conservatives.

The primary source of theory-based governance and opinion in this world tends to come from universities and big league bureaucrats. Their ability to try to get the world to fit a model (view modern public policies at the large scale, central banking, modern grievance based social movements) is unparalleled in history.
Yes. There is nothing "theory based" about conservatism. It is about following the old ways, the time-tested traditional practices, being slow and skeptical about change.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes. There is nothing "theory based" about conservatism. It is about following the old ways, the time-tested traditional practices, being slow and skeptical about change.
nah

The American Conservative Party exists to empower the populace through education in the principles of personal responsibility, individual liberty, traditional American values, free markets, limited government, and a strong national defense.

being slow and skeptical about change is not part of it.

Just for the record, we (the younger generation of conservatives) are not proud of Rush Limbaugh, nor do we hate or look down on liberals.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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nah

The American Conservative Party exists to empower the populace through education in the principles of personal responsibility, individual liberty, traditional American values, free markets, limited government, and a strong national defense.

being slow and skeptical about change is not part of it.

Just for the record, we (the younger generation of conservatives) are not proud of Rush Limbaugh, nor do we hate or look down on liberals.
I don't know anything about the American Conservative Party. I'm talking about what it actually means to be conservative in a basic sense.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Conservatives are more likely to be faith based and more anti-science, anti-fact, and anti-evidence.
Unless of course we're discussing things like global warming, why people are gay etc, cause then liberals pretend their opinion is fact..
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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No; I think liberals are more self based on issues. Whatever turns you on says as much.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:52 PM
 
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I got this from desertdetroiters thread on Obamas poll ratings worldwide. People automatically dismiss the poll because of sample size, when the sample of 1000 isn't actually that bad, statistically speaking.

But it seems that conservatives in general don't like studies. I'll admit, there are a lot of flawed ones, but not all of them are. Why is it that they seem to dismiss studies so rapidly though? are liberals just as dismissive of studies?

I have found for issues like minimum wage, unemployment, effects of globalization... conservatives are generally much more theory based while liberals are more open minded to empirical results.

What do you think?
This is really very funny... Liberalism is built on theory even when the overwhelming evidence is slapping them up long side the head. Poverty, education, taxation, gun control, family, global warming, etc,etc,etc....

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Old 04-23-2015, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yes. There is nothing "theory based" about conservatism. It is about following the old ways, the time-tested traditional practices, being slow and skeptical about change.
Conservatism in current parlance is really a misnomer and has nothing to do with tradition or resistance to change. Just as liberalism has nothing to do with liberty.

Conservatism now means individualism, and liberalism means collectivism. This explains a wide range of difference between conservatives and liberals, from taxes, to gun control to education. Conservatives want low taxes so that money is left in the hands of the individual. Liberals prefer that more money go into the hands of the collective. Conservatives want guns in the hands of the individual; liberals want them restricted to the collective i.e. police and military. Conservatives favor home schooling and vouchers. They like educational choice in the hands of the parent, whereas liberals want the decision to remain in the hands of the collective.

It's easy to get lost in misconstrued nomenclature.
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:04 PM
 
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This is really very funny... Liberalism is built on theory even when the overwhelming evidence is slapping them up long side the head. Poverty, education, taxation, gun control, family, global warming, etc,etc,etc....
Cant forget the old, need to pass ACA in order to insure every american. What? It wont insure every american? Sure it will, theory says so..

Or how about it'll reduce the cost of insurance if we insure more people.. Wont do that either? Sure it will, theory says so..

etc..
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