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The prudish, religious, and silly ass citizens of this country are to blame for perpetually voting in stupid politicians with these fantastical and pollyanish ideas about eradicating drugs and drug use from this country.
The problem may lie somewhat with the politicians, but the common citizen in this country is the REAL problem.
And for you people that say that we've never really had a war on drugs...as if to say that if we really did have such a war it'd be successful...you're nuts.
The United States can't win a war on drugs. It's impossible.
How do you win a war on human desire? Easy answer - you don't because you can't.
That's why the idiotic war on drugs has failed, why American has an obesity problem, why alcoholism and related health issues kills more people each year than all other drugs + violent crime combined, and why state lotteries make so much damn money. Greed, gluttony, lust and envy. All intrinsic parts of human nature. So how does one win a war against human nature that even G-d Himself has not tried to fight?
The War on Drugs is tyranny based on the most sophomoric of lies. By putting skeevy looking druggies in jail and making big theater of it, you feel like Leviathan is keeping your country all nice, clean and perfect, like some imaginary Pleasantville. The brown people reefer addicts are safely locked up, so our daughters can skip down the lane without fear of a reefer madness rape occurring.
It's all kabuki theater, with the very intended consequence of being the lifeblood of the prison-industrial complex. Think about it. Since human nature is immutable, and some percentage will indulge their desire no matter how difficult you make the obstacles, the prison industrial complex has a guaranteed revenue stream. In that way, the War on Drugs is a huge success. Our incarceration numbers resemble a military dictatorship more than an enlightened 1st World society, and it's mostly because we are so fond of locking up human nature for crimes not just against the bureaucracy, but against the bureaucracy's image, and Leviathan cannot have people tarnishing its self-image and all.
You cannot outlaw human nature, same as you cannot outlaw gravity.
How do you win a war on human desire? Easy answer - you don't because you can't.
That's why the idiotic war on drugs has failed, why American has an obesity problem, why alcoholism and related health issues kills more people each year than all other drugs + violent crime combined, and why state lotteries make so much damn money. Greed, gluttony, lust and envy. All intrinsic parts of human nature. So how does one win a war against human nature that even G-d Himself has not tried to fight?
The War on Drugs is tyranny based on the most sophomoric of lies. By putting skeevy looking druggies in jail and making big theater of it, you feel like Leviathan is keeping your country all nice, clean and perfect, like some imaginary Pleasantville. The brown people reefer addicts are safely locked up, so our daughters can skip down the lane without fear of a reefer madness rape occurring.
It's all kabuki theater, with the very intended consequence of being the lifeblood of the prison-industrial complex. Think about it. Since human nature is immutable, and some percentage will indulge their desire no matter how difficult you make the obstacles, the prison industrial complex has a guaranteed revenue stream. In that way, the War on Drugs is a huge success. Our incarceration numbers resemble a military dictatorship more than an enlightened 1st World society, and it's mostly because we are so fond of locking up human nature for crimes not just against the bureaucracy, but against the bureaucracy's image, and Leviathan cannot have people tarnishing its self-image and all.
You cannot outlaw human nature, same as you cannot outlaw gravity.
What are some of the real causes of the failed war against drugs and prohibition? Do you think that practical and sensible measures were employed at the time? Is the country worse or better off because of these efforts? Is there more or less abuse because of it?
Both political parties are responsible for the failed war on drugs.
Many presidential/national conservative politicians played up the tough on crime angle(even though law enforcement is a local, city or state issue) starting in the 1970's all the way into the late 1990's as a racist dog whistle that many white Americans find appealing.
The Democratic party afraid of being seen as soft on crime then followed suit and we got the War on Drugs pushed by President Reagan.
Actually in their minds, I think they see it as a success.
Yep-and it has been a complete success for our Government and connected Corporations. The War on "Drugs" is now the longest and costliest war in American history. We have given up so many rights, allowed our country to have the highest incarceration rate in the history of the World, and even have allowed our Government to invade other nations under the guise of the War on "Drugs".
They have milked this cow dry-which is why there is now The War on "Terror"-similarly ambiguous to the War on "Drugs" in that there is no specific enemy or timeline. These wars are meant to be ongoing to maximize profit and minimize rights. Sadly people with good intentions go along with it, due to the moral facade created around these wars.
Wake up people-you don't need Government to enforce how to live your life.
How do you win a war on human desire? Easy answer - you don't because you can't.
That's why the idiotic war on drugs has failed, why American has an obesity problem, why alcoholism and related health issues kills more people each year than all other drugs + violent crime combined, and why state lotteries make so much damn money. Greed, gluttony, lust and envy. All intrinsic parts of human nature. So how does one win a war against human nature that even G-d Himself has not tried to fight?
The War on Drugs is tyranny based on the most sophomoric of lies. By putting skeevy looking druggies in jail and making big theater of it, you feel like Leviathan is keeping your country all nice, clean and perfect, like some imaginary Pleasantville. The brown people reefer addicts are safely locked up, so our daughters can skip down the lane without fear of a reefer madness rape occurring.
It's all kabuki theater, with the very intended consequence of being the lifeblood of the prison-industrial complex. Think about it. Since human nature is immutable, and some percentage will indulge their desire no matter how difficult you make the obstacles, the prison industrial complex has a guaranteed revenue stream. In that way, the War on Drugs is a huge success. Our incarceration numbers resemble a military dictatorship more than an enlightened 1st World society, and it's mostly because we are so fond of locking up human nature for crimes not just against the bureaucracy, but against the bureaucracy's image, and Leviathan cannot have people tarnishing its self-image and all.
You cannot outlaw human nature, same as you cannot outlaw gravity.
Well said!
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
Both political parties are responsible for the failed war on drugs.
Many presidential/national conservative politicians played up the tough on crime angle(even though law enforcement is a local, city or state issue) starting in the 1970's all the way into the late 1990's as a racist dog whistle that many white Americans find appealing.
The Democratic party afraid of being seen as soft on crime then followed suit and we got the War on Drugs pushed by President Reagan.
Indeed. Both parties share the blame. Anymore when I hear some politician on either side blather on about how "they're gonna get tougher on crime" I shake my head, and immediately tune them out!
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Originally Posted by 2e1m5a
Yep-and it has been a complete success for our Government and connected Corporations. The War on "Drugs" is now the longest and costliest war in American history. We have given up so many rights, allowed our country to have the highest incarceration rate in the history of the World, and even have allowed our Government to invade other nations under the guise of the War on "Drugs".
They have milked this cow dry-which is why there is now The War on "Terror"-similarly ambiguous to the War on "Drugs" in that there is no specific enemy or timeline. These wars are meant to be ongoing to maximize profit and minimize rights. Sadly people with good intentions go along with it, due to the moral facade created around these wars.
Wake up people-you don't need Government to enforce how to live your life.
Hypothetically my next door neighbor in the mansion is a wealthy businessman but I (DEA agent) inadvertanly find out he is financing huge drug buys. I confront him and he says "Bob" here is 5 mil so you don't tell anybody but if you do I will first rape your daughter before I cut her head off.
This is why you can't stop the drug business.
Strangely encapsulated but really cuts to the heart of it.
There's simply too much money in the drug business. And poor people will always find that kinda money tempting and hard to forego. It's too easy...and the consequences aren't enough of a deterrent.
How would you define victory with law enforcement effort? Crime will never end, but that does not mean we should give up on enforcing law. The amount of drugs confiscated, and the number of criminals behind bars speaks of success, not failure.
How would you define victory with law enforcement effort? Crime will never end, but that does not mean we should give up on enforcing law. The amount of drugs confiscated, and the number of criminals behind bars speaks of success, not failure.
If you had been living during the height of alcohol prohibition, would you be saying the same thing?
You're right, you don't give up on enforcing the law. But you do change bad laws.
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