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It's a loose collection of conservative minded people who believe neither the Republicans nor Democrats are doing an effective job of running the government. Although they do not have a centralized "party" but a collection of groups that share a common identity, they tend to have the following ideas in common (just a quick list hitting the big ones):
1. The federal government should follow the Constitution and be limited to the powers it grants.
2. All government should be fiscally responsible.
3. The government should not pick winners and losers.
4. No business is too big to fail.
5. The US should not be the world's police.
6. Our borders should be secure.
Some people feel such ideas are nutty, but I believe the system has become crazy and too many people are afraid of what they could lose, in terms of goodies, if we saw reform.
I'm sorry, but when you have a 75,000 page tax code that even the Clinton foundation, with all its lawyers and accountants, can't even follow, there is a problem.
When we are just throwing billions upon billions of dollars at defense contractors for systems the military says we really don't need while our veterans are getting crappy medical assistance, there is a problem.
When we have bankers following government rules that cause a financial meltdown, there is a problem.
When the government secures billions of dollars for companies whose CEO's live high on the hog until the company folds, there is a problem.
Maybe you're good with the status quo, but many of us are not.
I say in a dangerous world as always. We need to get back to level on defense including going back to 180 fighter squadrons from 50 soon to be 40 like we had in dessert storm. Every time we have had major conflict we have been unprepared and its cost huge number of lives until we could buildup to needed level. It also encourages others to strike out as they see weakness. IMO; we see that in middle east now.
So let the states take care of the poor people in their states, and let the federal government worry about national defense.
You see, that's your problem, you've bought into the notion that the federal government is supposed to be your wet nurse. Taking care of their citizens who are down on their luck is a state function, not the federal government's.
Exactly..... actual duties of the federal government vs the modern liberal, welfare state.
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I'm kind of curious in the thought process of someone who believes things like food stamps, improves peoples lives.
I may agree with you on the argument about not needing F-35's, but to equate this to policies which increase poverty or cause people to lose insurance and boosting welfare, = they are now better, is ridiculous.
There is no rational explanation you can give to irrational people.
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The F-35 is increasing poverty.
Single women having babies out of wedlock increases poverty, not fighter jets.
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I believe food stamps can improve poor and disabled people's lives by allowing them to eat, instead of going hungry. Personally, I always feel better when I can eat more than one meal a day. But yes, I know that you think the unemployed and disabled people are all lazy moochers who could get a decent job if they really wanted to, even the severely brain-damaged ones or the folks who are dying from cancer. Who would Jesus bomb?
The left always conflates things that do not go together and make leaps of logical fallacies.
Believing the federal government has no proper role in health care delivery, housing and food assistance is not the same as people should starve or are lazy.
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The plan is probably as much about appeasing Air Force generals who want cool stuff, and keeping the military contractors in high cotton. It's working.
It is much more about Congressmen making sure their district gets their fair share. The plane is "built" in 45 states.
I believe food stamps can improve poor and disabled people's lives by allowing them to eat, instead of going hungry.
I believe jobs would allow the same thing.. Democrats disagree
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Personally, I always feel better when I can eat more than one meal a day.
I believe that is true of all humans, which is why you usually get a break for lunch while at work.
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But yes, I know that you think the unemployed and disabled people are all lazy moochers who could get a decent job if they really wanted to, even the severely brain-damaged ones or the folks who are dying from cancer.
Who would Jesus bomb?
nice job at just throwing **** against the wall hoping somethign sticks.
First are you really going to tell me that many of those unemployed have no choice? If thats true, that says an awful lot about the failure of Democratic policies
and second
I'm agnostic, dont give a **** about your "Jesus" baiting.
It's amusing to watch the Dems worry about military spending while at the same time claim that government spending is good and stimulates the economy.
Thats pretty much my point as well.
Its like them running around telling everyone that we need to increase welfare and food stamps in order to stimulate the economy, and then getting all upset when the people collecting welfare and food stamps get called into question and the economy doesnt "boom" like they claimed it would.
The military needs to cut wasteful spending just like those programs that we see so successfully "improve people's lives" across the country.
But there is no need to cut wasteful spending when the budgets for these programs continue to increase yearly. As much as I disliked Clinton, at least he acknowledged that the government was growing too fast, (after he fought Gingrich of course) and slowed down the growth thereby making departments do more with less. Until you make departments save, they arent going to cut down on wasteful spending.
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