Americans don't need food stamps or health care, we need more F-35s! (unemployment, Iran)

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by pghquest

how so.. I cant wait to hear this..

Well you see, some of that tax money the government takes from the rich people and corporations, is going towards the building of fighter jets, and into the pockets of all the people involved in the production and maintenance of the jets. No wait, that does not create any poor people. Hmmmm...

How's this? Illegal immigrants are stealing jobs, that poor Americans could have been hired to perform instead. So.... because we aren't hiring illegal aliens to build jets, they go out and steal jobs from the poor. There you go.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by OICU812

So let the states take care of the poor people in their states, and let the federal government worry about national defense.

You see, that's your problem, you've bought into the notion that the federal government is supposed to be your wet nurse. Taking care of their citizens who are down on their luck is a state function, not the federal government's.

As you've apparently bought into the notion that the federal government's supposed to be the MIC's wet nurse.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Roadking2003

It's amusing to watch the Dems worry about military spending while at the same time claim that government spending is good and stimulates the economy.

Almost as amusing as watching the Reps who claim they're for less government/less spending time after time cry for a BIGGER military(part of government after all) and MORE military spending, eh?

[Woof]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

........ Believing the federal government has no proper role in health care delivery, housing and food assistance is not the same as people should starve or are lazy.

Actually, it IS pretty much the same. Private organizations cannot and will not fill the need. Pastor Bob is NOT going to spend the charity donations on medical care for all the members with cancer or brain damage or AIDS, nor is he going to help feed the hungry more than a once a week feeding - if that. He needs a new SUV, fancier pews, and money to send missionaries abroad to convert the heathen.

Originally Posted by pghquest

I believe jobs would allow the same thing.. Democrats disagree

.........

Jobs are a good thing, if they pay enough for rent and food for a family, and health care. Many, many do not, and the ones that do don't have many openings for people without specific skills. Many people CANNOT WORK, they may have severe medical or psychiatric conditions. If you were a boss, would you hire someone who is 85 years old, shaky, and infirm ...... or someone dying of cancer who needs to take extensive time off for treatments ....... or someone who talks to his stapler and carries a dagger to protect himself from shape-shifting aliens who can look just like ordinary humans?

Originally Posted by Hans Bueller

How does one boondoggle make welfare dependency and other government waste ok?

Have you stopped beating your wife, Mr. Bueller?

Originally Posted by Wanderer0101

Haven't seen any evidence that food stamps or government health care improves peoples lives.

That's because you haven't looked for it, and have ignored it when it was presented to you, even by members here who desperately needed it at some time in their life.

[Woof]

Originally Posted by OICU812

Well you see, some of that tax money the government takes from the rich people and corporations, is going towards the building of fighter jets, and into the pockets of all the people involved in the production and maintenance of the jets. No wait, that does not create any poor people. Hmmmm...

How's this? Illegal immigrants are stealing jobs, that poor Americans could have been hired to perform instead. So.... because we aren't hiring illegal aliens to build jets, they go out and steal jobs from the poor. There you go.

So you're actually in favor of using tax money for corporate welfare, which goes into high wage jobs for a very few people, and goes into profits for corporations and stockholders who lobby for more wars, to increase profits .....

Actually that wouldn't be so terribly bad IF the products made work, do what they're supposed to do, and aren't pure waste like tanks that are built and immediately mothballed. And IF those products aren't more than we need for self-defense.

[Ohio1803]

Originally Posted by Woof

So you're actually in favor of using tax money for corporate welfare, which goes into high wage jobs for a very few people, and goes into profits for corporations and stockholders who lobby for more wars, to increase profits .....

Actually that wouldn't be so terribly bad IF the products made work, do what they're supposed to do, and aren't pure waste like tanks that are built and immediately mothballed. And IF those products aren't more than we need for self-defense.

Unfortunately this spending is controlled by congress, the same congress that takes donations from a lot of these defense companies. If more people actively participated in the election process, cared about who they elect, and came out to vote, hopefully it would result in better people in office.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Woof

Jobs are a good thing, if they pay enough for rent and food for a family, and health care. Many, many do not, and the ones that do don't have many openings for people without specific skills. Many people CANNOT WORK, they may have severe medical or psychiatric conditions. If you were a boss, would you hire someone who is 85 years old, shaky, and infirm ...... or someone dying of cancer who needs to take extensive time off for treatments ....... or someone who talks to his stapler and carries a dagger to protect himself from shape-shifting aliens who can look just like ordinary humans?

jobs even if they dont pay "enough", are good things because they increase the demand on labor which leads to higher wages and better work atmosphere. Have you guys learned NOTHING in school?

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Woof

So you're actually in favor of using tax money for corporate welfare, which goes into high wage jobs for a very few people, and goes into profits for corporations and stockholders who lobby for more wars, to increase profits .....

Actually that wouldn't be so terribly bad IF the products made work, do what they're supposed to do, and aren't pure waste like tanks that are built and immediately mothballed. And IF those products aren't more than we need for self-defense.

How do you increase the demand on labor and increase wages and benefits of employees if there is a lack of employment opportunities available?

Have you ever even thought about it?

If there is 100 jobs and 1000 individuals the demand to pay people an acceptable wage = ZERO
If there is 1100 jobs and 100 individuals, the demand to pay people an acceptable wage increases substantially.

The ONLY way to get better work conditions is to create more jobs..

But you dont understand this.. WHY?

You also dont understand that the more jobs there are, the more tax revenues and the lower the need for things like welfare programs, again, WHY?

You also, dont seem to understand that ALLOWING SOMEONE TO KEEP THEIR OWN MONEY is NOT welfare. Why dont you understand common sense?

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by burdell

Almost as amusing as watching the Reps who claim they're for less government/less spending time after time cry for a BIGGER military(part of government after all) and MORE military spending, eh?

I'm generally against big military spending, but it's the millenials who will be footing the bill so I don't care anymore.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

And that of about 10,000 employees.

And?

IF you're going to argue the government should create jobs, it still doesn't mean creating those jobs in the defense sector that sucks as much $$$ from the US budget as the next 8-10 countries spend on defense combined is the best use of that job creation.