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Old 05-01-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Impressive. The years and policies of 2000-2008 have completed disappeared in your narrative. Can you do that with the 1990s and my crappy marriage, too?

What changed after 2000?

 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Seriously, all the policies they advocate for seem to be along the lines of, "Corporations and Wall Street should be able to bend over any average American as they see fit. If they want to pollute, they should be able to. If they want to pay no taxes, that's fine. If they want to outsource all your jobs to China, that's cool too. Oh, and your kid's school? They're losing teachers because we're shifting tax payer dollars to private schools with no accountability."

Yet, they are supposed to be the party of family values. Go figure.
charlie rangle was the gatekeeper for the tax code....why not ask him why he was so eager to 'rape' the working class?

Barney frank and tim geither chris dodd watchdogs for the bankssaid freddie and fannie were solvent and shelia jackson lee said, when GWB, suggested F&F might be in trouble, any opposition to unrestricted loans was 'racist'.

Ask obama, biden HRC why they turned to goldman sachs to populate their treasury dept and look to corzine for help with economic strategy. then they put a tax cheat in charge of the treasury dept.

Want to rephrase your op question?
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:26 AM
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Seriously, all the policies they advocate for seem to be along the lines of, "Corporations and Wall Street should be able to bend over any average American as they see fit. If they want to pollute, they should be able to. If they want to pay no taxes, that's fine. If they want to outsource all your jobs to China, that's cool too. Oh, and your kid's school? They're losing teachers because we're shifting tax payer dollars to private schools with no accountability."

Yet, they are supposed to be the party of family values. Go figure.
After all, Wall St. went 2-1 for Obama over McCain. Meanwhile, NYC public servants are utterly unconcerned about quality of life crimes:

_"The Council’s pee brains seek to set loose chaos on the streets"_
"...City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito is engineering a drive to decriminalize turnstile-jumping, public urination, riding a bicycle on the sidewalk, drinking in public and other low-level misdemeanors."
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/e...icle-1.2192241

And their EPA dawdles around (and goes after backyard grills and fireplaces and wood stoves) while auto manufacturers wake up whole neighborhoods to let them know when someone locks their car door.

And their schools?
_"No books, no clue at city’s worst school"_
No books, no clue at city’s worst school | New York Post

That's with a CITY income tax--on top of a NY state and federal income tax.

Do Democrats even know what a family is?
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and the 2000 China Trade Act into law.

Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steigall and left derivatives without a regulator on the advice of Summers, Rubin and Raines.

There is no 2008 financial crisis without Bill Clinton.

There is no rapid decline of household income without Bill Clinton`s trade deals.

Together with presumptive 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, he has literally sold American foreign policy and security to the highest bidder.

Both Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama pledged during the 2008 primary to renegotiate NAFTA...still waiting.

The one sure way to quickly increase the incomes of middle-class and working-class Americans would be to remove illegal immigrants from the workforce and seal the border, but instead we have an unconstitutional and illegal presidential amnesty and a justice department that sues states for attempting to identify and detain illegals.

Anyone who has done what the Clintons have done should be wearing prison orange.

Any president who has violated his oath of office the way Obama has done should have been impeached long ago.

The Republicans will do nothing about the corruption of the Clintons and Obama because they don`t want to be held accountable for their own corruption.

Meanwhile, Sen. Sanders has very correctly stated that the office of President of the United States is for sale to the highest bidder and the voting public is too stupid, lazy and uniformed to care.
Note: GOP controlled House and Senate during last of Clinton years (veto proof). GOP passed all these issues you claim. It is like today except for the veto proof congress. They will be wise to not pass fast track or they will be held responsible for the mess it will create. The GOP is responsible for NAFTA.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Seriously, all the policies they advocate for seem to be along the lines of, "Corporations and Wall Street should be able to bend over any average American as they see fit. If they want to pollute, they should be able to. If they want to pay no taxes, that's fine. If they want to outsource all your jobs to China, that's cool too. Oh, and your kid's school? They're losing teachers because we're shifting tax payer dollars to private schools with no accountability."

Yet, they are supposed to be the party of family values. Go figure.
Well, it's for sure that Democrats are not for "family values." Democrat policies have reduced working hours for most people to 30 instead of 40, and many people have been reduced to part time (20 being the new "full time").

Total family income is down under this administration, with less disposable income, and higher health insurance costs.

So, whose "family values" do the Democrats stand for? They certainly aren't taking care of the "middle class."

You cannot help the "poor" (or "middle class") by punishing the "rich."

Have you ever been employed by a poor man?
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:31 AM
mm4
 
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Note: GOP controlled House and Senate during last of Clinton years (veto proof). GOP passed all these issues you claim. It is like today except for the veto proof congress. They will be wise to not pass fast track or they will be held responsible for the mess it will create. The GOP is responsible for NAFTA.
The progressive left and its neocon (aka leftist Rep.) Rockefeller Republicanism is responsible for NAFTA.

The progressive-left had a year of filibuster-proof majority after ~O~'s election to restore the tariffs that built America. Now it only wants to dilute what remains of its employable workforce.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Note: GOP controlled House and Senate during last of Clinton years (veto proof). GOP passed all these issues you claim. It is like today except for the veto proof congress. They will be wise to not pass fast track or they will be held responsible for the mess it will create. The GOP is responsible for NAFTA.
"Veto proof" is a supermajority. I believe I am correct in saying that the GOP never had a supermajority during the Clinton years.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Beautiful strawman. Well played.

Can't have people noticing that the right abhors education. Better distract attention from that long-held position.
The "right" abhors education? I think we want better education. That's why so many of us home schooled our kids (or are home schooling), advocate for vouchers, etc. and busting the teachers union, which has destroyed public education. It is nothing more than a "liberal" indoctrination system, and "Common Core" is enhancing that indoctrination.

Where's the "straw man" in my post? Do you know what that even means? I doubt it.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Well, it's for sure that Democrats are not for "family values." Democrat policies have reduced working hours for most people to 30 instead of 40, and many people have been reduced to part time (20 being the new "full time").

Total family income is down under this administration, with less disposable income, and higher health insurance costs.

So, whose "family values" do the Democrats stand for? They certainly aren't taking care of the "middle class."

You cannot help the "poor" (or "middle class") by punishing the "rich."

Have you ever been employed by a poor man?

Note that those doing the gutting are all GOP voters, so as to protect their wealth. NAFTA has created a large service based economy just as the top 1% like.

Just think what the TPP will do for the top 1%.

GOP = family values not in my lifetime
 
Old 05-01-2015, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The "right" abhors education? I think we want better education. That's why so many of us home schooled our kids (or are home schooling), advocate for vouchers, etc. and busting the teachers union, which has destroyed public education. It is nothing more than a "liberal" indoctrination system, and "Common Core" is enhancing that indoctrination.

Where's the "straw man" in my post? Do you know what that even means? I doubt it.
The right is against public education, as you prove in your post. It is against paying teachers their true value in a high tech edu. environment.

After watching my grandkids Common core looks good to me, smarter, better thinking and able to understand math and science.
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