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Old 05-02-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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I am in search for logical arguments in regards to the ethics of eating meat. Specifically, I am looking for ethical justification in support of meat consumption. For the purpose of this thread, let's define meat as the flesh of a sentient animal, so let's keep the argument focused around birds and mammals mainly as sentience is quite clear. Please do not use any of the following arguments outlined here: Eight Arguments In Favor Of Eating Meat And Objections Thereto


Thanks!

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Old 05-03-2015, 05:53 AM
 
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Just FYI, you mean moral, not ethical.
 
Old 05-03-2015, 06:14 AM
 
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if vegans were our ancestors we would have been exstinct thousands and thousands of years ago,

also if we didn't eat meat, we'd still be using spears....
meat is credited with brain development and rapid evolution

here are some good articles

7 Reasons to Eat Beef You Are Not Aware of ? Lifestyle


Why beef is good for you | Life and style | The Guardian


Why Eating Meat Is Healthy | LIVESTRONG.COM


Six Reasons To Eat Meat Every Day Of The Week | BEEF Daily


veganism can be deadly for kids

How Mom's Vegan Diet Unintentionally Killed Her Innocent Child
 
Old 05-03-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Just FYI, you mean moral, not ethical.
No, I mean ethical.
 
Old 05-03-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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if vegans were our ancestors we would have been exstinct thousands and thousands of years ago,

also if we didn't eat meat, we'd still be using spears....
meat is credited with brain development and rapid evolution

here are some good articles

7 Reasons to Eat Beef You Are Not Aware of ? Lifestyle


Why beef is good for you | Life and style | The Guardian


Why Eating Meat Is Healthy | LIVESTRONG.COM


Six Reasons To Eat Meat Every Day Of The Week | BEEF Daily


veganism can be deadly for kids

How Mom's Vegan Diet Unintentionally Killed Her Innocent Child
That's not a logical argument. Please reference the link I posted. Your whole post is covered in points 2 and 5. BTW Beef Magazine isn't a scientific source and certainly isn't unbiased, neither are your other sources.
 
Old 05-03-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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OP, we just went through this. See my post #18.

//www.city-data.com/forum/great...ting-meat.html
 
Old 05-03-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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OP, we just went through this. See my post #18.

//www.city-data.com/forum/great...ting-meat.html
In all honesty your argument was awful and riddled with logical fallacies. No ethical arguments are comprised of all tangible fact. The idea of a logical argument is to start with premises and arrive at a logical conclusion from those premises. If someone doesn't agree with the premises there is nothing more to discuss. However if someone does agree with the premises, they must agree with the conclusion if the argument is logically sound. In the case of an ethical argument it would be reasonable to pick your premises such that a large number of people agree with them. However, I am asking a very different question from that thread.

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Old 05-03-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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In all honesty your argument was awful. However, I am asking a very different question from that thread.
You can try refuting my arguments from the prior thread. Go ahead.

As to your question, I can shut it down easily. You used the word "ethical." Who gets to determine what is or is not ethical? What if your ethics don't agree with or match my ethics? You make it sound as if there is one singular, "carved in stone' set of ethics. There isn't.

Looking for something logical? Sure. As a sovereign human being, I have the power to create and define the ethics by which I live my life. By my free will, I have decided that the ethics by which I will live will include eating meat. The sentience of the animals have no bearing.

Can you refute any of my above statement?
 
Old 05-03-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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You can try refuting my arguments from the prior thread. Go ahead.

As to your question, I can shut it down easily. You used the word "ethical." Who gets to determine what is or is not ethical? What if your ethics don't agree with or match my ethics? You make it sound as if there is one singular, "carved in stone' set of ethics. There isn't.

Looking for something logical? Sure. As a sovereign human being, I have the power to create and define the ethics by which I live my life. By my free will, I have decided that the ethics by which I will live will include eating meat. The sentience of the animals have no bearing.

Can you refute any of my above statement?
This is exactly what I was talking about. Please go read what an ethical argument is. http://www.philosophypages.com/lg/e01.htm According to your logic there is no such thing as an ethical argument and the fact we don't go around raping and killing people has nothing to do with ethics. I will happily refute your "argument" however, first you need to understand how this type of thing works.

As a sovereign human being, I have the power to create and define the ethics by which I live my life. By my free will, I have decided that the ethics by which I will live will include raping women. The sentience of the women have no bearing. See how that doesn't work? That isn't an ethical argument.
 
Old 05-03-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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This is exactly what I was talking about. Please go read what an ethical argument is. Logical Arguments According to your logic there is no such thing as an ethical argument and the fact we don't go around raping and killing people has nothing to do with ethics. I will happily refute your "argument" however, first you need to understand how this type of thing works.

As a sovereign human being, I have the power to create and define the ethics by which I live my life. By my free will, I have decided that the ethics by which I will live will include raping women. The sentience of the women have no bearing. See how that doesn't work? That isn't an ethical argument.
I will read your link. Surely you realize that there are people that go around raping women? It happens everyday. It happens for the reasons I outlined, which are completely logical.

ETA: OP, I read your link. Please state your proposition.
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