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Old 05-04-2015, 09:55 AM
 
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hmmm.....me thinks that is what YOU think about poor people. It seems when the left makes empty accusations about conservative candidates without proof, you can bet its really what they, the left think all along.
No, it's an analogy to illustrate the absurdity of her thinking.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Brilliant thinking. For her next act, she'll point out that poor people should just have opened more savings accounts before they went poor. No wonder HP's stock rose 7% the day she was canned.

She's right..
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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What annoys me is that a person with no credibility gets an article in Time discussing a topic she has no qualifications to intelligently discuss. It was a political give away, because she is a famous name, spewing partisan trash.

The rivers of the San Joaquin and most of S. California have NO WATER in them at all 90% of the time, due to impoundments. The ecosystems are destroyed outright. Believe me, the engineers were not lacking in enthusiasm in the state. Most of the water shortage is because of excess agricultural acreage in the S. half of the state.

As I recall, you live in Idaho. What if all the water were diverted from a water-rich region like N. Idaho to support chrony capitalism agriculture around Las Vegas? That is the garbage she is selling. Enough.
So...you're solution to CA's water problem is what, exactly? Destroy one of the most productive agricultural regions of the country? Reduce the population to what it was 40 years ago? Impose radical water rationing? While she suggests what most would regard as a common sense solution-to utilize the existing water resources of the state, instead of allowing all that fresh water to dump into the sea. Try a common sense argument sometime, rather than just more partisan drivel.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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One only has to look at the rain fall amounts to se draught altho more people means more needed. Reminds one of the stories I the 1950's draught in the west. If same nothing as been seen yet .
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Yeah, she was a poor manager of a tech company by the standards of industry. Still, that's considerably more executive management experience than the current occupier of the White House has.
I guess that technically, a pilot who has crashed a lot of planes can be said to have a lot of experience.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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Did you ever consider the fact that "growing anything green" takes the carbon dioxide we human exhale and reprocesses same into the oxygen we breath? I live in the desert and know that foliage grown here creates healthy air and better environment. In addition, the desert areas usually have much richer soil for growing.

So, please, do a little studying about nature before you come to such bad conclusions.
Oh brother!

Deserts have very little vegetation for a reason; SAND is crap to grow stuff in and will only support those plants that you don't habitually eat on your dinner table.

You should do you own research about how much growing lettuce or cabbages contribute oxygen to the environment while costing you immensely in your second most valuable resource and requiring massive infusions of chemicals that are screwing with the environment in so many worse ways than you can possibly imagine.

When you had little competition for the massive Colorado to irrigate the stupid desert growing tracts, there was little complaint, but even back in the early 1900's the eventual damage was easily and often predicted but just as quickly ignored due to convenience and greed motivated ease with which those flat expanses of desert could be converted to irrigated plots by Mexicans with spades.

One deciduous tree you cut down to build a 2500 sq ft home contributes over it's lifetime in the order of millions of more tonnes of oxygen than a whole square mile of lettuce growing will ever manage.

The rotational management of that desert used for crops is very opportunistic in it's regimen of planting something that contributes dangerous leachates to the underlying sand/soil then requiring a crop planted that can accommodate growing in higher salts and chemical build-ups until you've gotten the maximum crop growing economic potential from that plot then it's time to "FLUSH" those build-ups out before starting the whole cycle over again.

All of those flushing cycles require massive wastage of water which results in run-off to other areas thereby contaminating them with a terrible imbalance and contributing to the very result you can easily see today with the Salton Sea.

Do yourself a favour and have a chat with the head groundskeeper at your nearest golf course in any southern state where the underlying strata is mostly sand. He will tell you of the massive amounts of water and chemicals it takes to stimulate and maintain just one "green" of the routine 18 of them, not to mention keeping the fairways in a shape to encourage golfers to keep coming.

Rising golf club memberships and green's fees along with courses shutting down at a rate never seen before are directly reflective of that enormous cost. If golf courses were contributing carbon dioxide absorption in anything like that of a copse of deciduous trees, they'd be sprouting up all over the place and we would not give a second thought to cutting down a bunch of trees anywhere.

Cheap veggies at the expense of your environment does not a sensible approach to Carbon Dioxide absorption make.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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I worked for HP when this dimwit was sitting CEO. From the time she took control of the company until the day she left, HP tripled its revenues without its stock ever raising a penny. In other words, the company was running three times as fast to stay in exactly the same place. Just before she was asked to resign, she was voted one of the top three worst technology CEOs in America, and has been ranked the 19th worst American CEO of all time. Now she wants to run for President...

Caveat emptor.
At least she ran something and now has the experience to maybe change her approach. Hillary has never run anything and will instead run the country into the ground just like her unqualifed Barack using US as her "training job".

Carly Fioria is an accomplished executive who EARNED her way to the top. Hillary is a "glorified housewife" who is taking shortcuts to the top playing off her name and gender.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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So...you're solution to CA's water problem is what, exactly? Destroy one of the most productive agricultural regions of the country? Reduce the population to what it was 40 years ago? Impose radical water rationing? While she suggests what most would regard as a common sense solution-to utilize the existing water resources of the state, instead of allowing all that fresh water to dump into the sea. Try a common sense argument sometime, rather than just more partisan drivel.
There will, in a very short number of years be no discussion over the matter. It will happen of it's own accord from less water availability causing it's costs to skyrocket.

The free market will then arrive at the point in time where all that cheap labour available to grow those crops is not making enough difference to offset the costs of damage to other resources and lack of available water at an economically feasible cost to maintain the productivity competition of the region.

The whole area was artificially created on the premise of cheap labour, massive flat expanses of land, and at the time; easily diverted water from a plentiful source. Any graph drawn would easily predict the lack one resource availability is rapidly negating the ease of access of the other two.

Science will of course suggest the building of de-salination plants using nuclear fuel or some other silliness to keep this juggernaut rolling along but that brings a whole new set of considerations to the inherent fallacy of growing fruits and veggies in SAND.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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really? so you don't think people are using up to many resources, water included?


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No, it's an analogy to illustrate the absurdity of her thinking.
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Old 05-04-2015, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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So...you're solution to CA's water problem is what, exactly? Destroy one of the most productive agricultural regions of the country? Reduce the population to what it was 40 years ago? Impose radical water rationing? While she suggests what most would regard as a common sense solution-to utilize the existing water resources of the state, instead of allowing all that fresh water to dump into the sea. Try a common sense argument sometime, rather than just more partisan drivel.
Cut SJ farming, gradually, by 20%. That would save tremendous amounts of water, build resiliency, and would allow the rivers to occasionally flow, to support native biodiversity in agricultural landscapes, to recharge aquifers, and to flush some of the agricultural wastes from the Valley. The much-lauded productivity of California agriculture has been bought on a credit card. Fiorina's solution? Up the debt limit!

Unless the water makes it to the sea, aquatic ecosystems are destroyed and the watersheds gradually are ruined by salt accumulation. Also, the native fishes and aquatic wildlife are a large part of California's richness. Why destroy them further? Again, imagine if someone talked the government into diverting water from Idaho to Nevada, and killed your fisheries, polluted the groundwater, and created a culture of migrant peasants working for a few absentee landowners, and expected the government to support the workers for the rest of the year. That is the great story of California agriculture. I am just asking that it be trimmed back and a sensible, moderate approach pursued, that recognizes resources are finite, climates vary, and extreme exploitation creates a brittle system that cannot weather variation in conditions. I also think we need to do desalinization in California. The people live on the coast, some of the impacts should be there too.

Partisan drivel?...For what it is worth, I grew up in the San Joaquin Valley on farm, and I have a PhD in this topic. I know about 10000% more about these issues than Fiorina. But she gets your attention and fealty why?
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