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There are good reasons to take risks, there a dumb reasons to take risks, and then there is just showboating that puts people at risk.
When you get a cell phone call from your wife saying, "We don't know what's happening, but they're rushing us out of the store and telling us to get out of the area," and then wait tense minutes to be told, "We're out of the area--the police have the roads blocked off," and then you learn that there really was a danger--with people killed and a real potential for a genuine mass tragedy...
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..and it was all over an unnecessary stunt...
...sorry, no applause from me.
So your solution is to get rid of free speech, get rid of cartoonists, and let Muslims come into our country and control what we do and say?
As predicted, this thread turns into "Oh, Christians do the same" thread.
Those who would defend Islam and its violence are fond of pointing out the faults of Christianity, as if those faults give Muslims an excuse to commit violence. Some folks love to point the finger of blame at someone else for the things they are doing themselves. That’s what they are doing when they attack Christianity, in order to defend their new best friend, Radical Islam. I just wonder what they will do when Islam turns their attention to them?
And seriously, if you want to argue, at least argue fairly.
Just because there was violence associated with the Christian crusades, as well as other events in the past, does not absolve Islamic terrorists from the acts of violence they are so fond of wreaking. Just because the Biblical Old Testament tells us of the violence associated with the Jewish nation after they left Egypt, doesn’t mean that is all Christianity is about. The New Testament changed that. At the risk of being redundant, that does not absolve the terrorist madmen who are running around killing people in the name of Allah and Islam.
"Two wrongs make a right" is a staple of Progressive ideology and thought process.
The difference between modern Christians and Mulsim extremists is that Christians, by and large have evolved past medieval thinking and Muslims are still comparatively stuck in the dark ages of literal interpretation of the Quran and violent, savage jihad on infidels.
But there are those on the left who, beyond all logic, try to draw a moral equivalent with Muslim extremists throwing gays off a building and Christians not wanting to cater a gay wedding.....as if they are the same thing.
To those on the Left who insist on pointing out what Christians did 500 years ago, I ask:
"Two wrongs make a right" is a staple of Progressive ideology and thought process.
The difference between modern Christians and Mulsim extremists is that Christians, by and large have evolved past medieval thinking and Muslims are still comparatively stuck in the dark ages of literal interpretation of the Quran and violent, savage jihad on infidels.
But there are those on the left who, beyond all logic, try to draw a moral equivalent with Muslim extremists throwing gays off a building and Christians not wanting to cater a gay wedding.....as if they are the same thing.
To those on the Left who insist on pointing out what Christians did 500 years ago, I ask:
What have Christians done to you lately?
Nobody, as far as I know, condones radical Islam's use of violence and terror. At least none that I've seen on this forum.
Not saying it does. Not saying it should be tolerated. Let's go back to my original post, shall we? What did these people expect would happen?
I'm glad the two nutjobs got offed. They could have done much worse.
You'd have to ask them. I'd expect that more extreme Muslims would would learn that they couldn't intimidate the people of this country, expect non-Muslims to follow the dictates of their superstition and would learn from that. Perhaps even to act like civilized human beings.
Mockery of a foolish concept is a perfectly valid method for changing the norms of segments of society. Gays and their supporters have been mocking and insulting those that oppose them for a couple decades now. Guess what? It seems to be working, norms are changing. Attacking/restricting gays is now becoming something that is vilified. The same can be done with radical Islam. When you stand up to their violent acts and childish admonitions concerning cartoons, eventually they will come around too.
The fact is there is no government threat to the 1st Amendment the artists are combatting here. The fact a private citizen might shoot you for drawing such a picture is not a 1st Amendment issue.
When a poster presumes the "facts" so vehemently... tells me the facts don't really matter.
Muslim ideology has no place for free speech, so the entire premise of the religion is the polar opposite to our constitution... PERIOD!
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You know this whole meme going around that Pamela Geller was provocative, and yes, although she had the 1st amend right to hold that contest, what happened was very predictable so she shouldn’t have done it. It bugged me for hours because I knew I’d seen that dynamic before and couldn’t put my finger on it. Then – BINGO!
Have you ever known someone in an abusive relationship? It goes like this. “no, he shouldn’t hit you, but you know he does, so why do you provoke him?”. The “It’s my fault he hit me, I pissed him off”. Or, “If you don’t want me to hit you, don’t **** me off”.
All those people inverting the moral compass here are speaking as abused/abuser enablers. Every last one.
You know this whole meme going around that Pamela Geller was provocative, and yes, although she had the 1st amend right to hold that contest, what happened was very predictable so she shouldn’t have done it. It bugged me for hours because I knew I’d seen that dynamic before and couldn’t put my finger on it. Then – BINGO!
Have you ever known someone in an abusive relationship? It goes like this. “no, he shouldn’t hit you, but you know he does, so why do you provoke him?”. The “It’s my fault he hit me, I pissed him off”. Or, “If you don’t want me to hit you, don’t **** me off”.
All those people inverting the moral compass here are speaking as abused/abuser enablers. Every last one.
You hit the nail on the head.
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