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Old 05-05-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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You'll see race relations improve when all races have similar incomes, education, occupation distributions, political outlooks, etc.
It's hard to achieve when government keeps closing the door to opportunity by increasing the costs of starting a small business and growing it.

Government policies are the biggest obstacle to wealth for those who have yet to acquire it.
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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It's hard to achieve when government keeps closing the door to opportunity by increasing the costs of starting a small business and growing it.

Government policies are the biggest obstacle to wealth for those who have yet to acquire it.
That's bull.

This country has NEVER had more wealthy people than it has today.
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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That's bull.

This country has NEVER had more wealthy people than it has today.
So, are you saying our system allows people upward mobility into wealth?
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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So, are you saying our system allows people upward mobility into wealth?
Why are you asking dumb questions?

We've never had more wealthy people than we have today.

How do you suppose that happened?
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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How do you suppose that happened?
Obama fixed the economy.
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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Why are you asking dumb questions?

We've never had more wealthy people than we have today.

How do you suppose that happened?
Why won't you answer the question?
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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You'll see race relations improve when all races have similar incomes, education, occupation distributions, political outlooks, etc.
I don't disagree with you. But lets understand, race-relations are made worse primarily because people rant and rave about these differences.


Lets understand something important. The income/education/occupation/political outlooks vary significantly among every group in this country. The difference in income and education is greater between say, the Jews, and all other white groups, than the difference between say, white-Catholics and black-baptists.

In fact, Jews make nearly $100,000 a year on average. Compared to the ~$56,000 for whites in total. And the white total includes the vast majority of Jews. If you remove them from the equation, it is much lower.

Distribution of Household Income by Race

In reality, Non-Jewish whites probably make about ~25-30% more than the average black. While Jewish-whites make more than twice what non-Jewish whites make. And Jews make about three times as much as a "Jehovah's Witness".

Wealth and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is a great graphic to explain a little of why this gap is so big.

https://volkundvaterland.files.wordp...-your-mind.jpg


For that matter, while people complain incessantly about how priests get paid. The average priest only gets paid about ~$25,000 a year. While a Jewish Rabbi makes ~$140,000 a year.

Clergy Salaries: Rabbis Average Higher Salaries Than Priests, Ministers And Imams



Basically, the reason why the black-white gap is obsessed about, is because it is politically beneficial. Democrats have found a large and reliable voting base by keeping blacks as perpetual victims, and democrats as their great protectors/saviors.

But if we were being honest, this country is less about white and black, as it is between rural and city, rich and poor. Focusing on one group or another to the exclusion of everyone else, makes no sense, and is counterproductive.
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I don't deny anything you say. I live in a very rural area and the cities around here are by the standards of most of the country quite small. There really aren't enough people, let alone minorities, to self-segregate in most areas. We had a bad reputation for racial issues 20 years ago, but the nutjobs in the Aryan Nations were tossed out about 15 years ago. I'm sure we have the occasional ignorant racist here like any area, but racial strife is very rare. Or at least I keep to myself enough that I don't hear about it. What minorities we have here live next door to whites for the most part, and with very few problems that I am aware of. The small town I grew up in in western NY was much the same. A lot of the "racial issues" (let alone crime in general) seem to be much more of an issue in urban areas.
Ironically I came across this story about Chicago being one of the most diverse cities in the US yet one of the most segregated:

Chicago Is The Most Segregated City In America: Analysis « CBS Chicago
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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Good argument by Thomas Sowell at Real Cleat Politics

Race, Politics and Lies | RealClearPolitics

"Anyone who is serious about evidence need only compare black communities as they evolved in the first 100 years after slavery with black communities as they evolved in the first 50 years after the explosive growth of the welfare state, beginning in the 1960s.

You would be hard-pressed to find as many ghetto riots prior to the 1960s as we have seen just in the past year, much less in the 50 years since a wave of such riots swept across the country in 1965.

We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact -- for those who still have some respect for facts -- black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less.

Murder rates among black males were going down -- repeat, DOWN -- during the much lamented 1950s, while it went up after the much celebrated 1960s, reaching levels more than double what they had been before. Most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families. "
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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Do European countries with their large welfare states have many problems that the black population here does?
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