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Old 05-08-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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Uh, Hitler's party was called the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Hitler was left wing to the core.
Sigh. The socialist wing of the Nazi party - the one led by Roehm and Strasser - was violently purged in 1934, and the Nazis went on to join forces with the industrialists, quite a few of whom got a free ticket to Nuremberg after the war to explain themselves.

 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:15 AM
 
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I will get criticized for saying this but I can't help but wonder why the US is so obsessed with teaching the Holocaust. Yes, it was one of the great crimes of the 20th century but it didn't really occur in the United States. If the US is unwilling to teach the Armenian Genocide or other genocides throughout the world like the Herero and Namaqua Genocide (which the Germans continue to deny btw) or the Holodomor then why should the Holocaust take precedence?
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:16 AM
 
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Actually I was quite beneficial to my parents when I was born. They were able to claim another deduction on their tax form. Karl Marx wrote that non-bourgeois children are merely economic factors.
As a criticism of conditions during society shaped by 19th-century freewheeling capitalism, not as a view he espoused.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:19 AM
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Sigh. The socialist wing of the Nazi party - the one led by Roehm and Strasser - was violently purged in 1934, and the Nazis went on to join forces with the industrialists, quite a few of whom got a free ticket to Nuremberg after the war to explain themselves.
A strident proponent of 5,000,000-strong amnesty immigration-reform, and gun control ("We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar," he said to Sarah Brady (Over a barrel? Meet White House gun policy adviser Steve Croley - The Washington Post)), and imposition of collectivist Health Care Insurance mandates and new taxes in lieu of them for the edict's dissidents (and forcing employers to buy Plan B insurance), and signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, etc.; and "clinging to their guns and Bibles" mocking, and "You didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" asserting, and "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Climate Change chanting leftist Barack Obama also leverages the military industrial complex.

You'll have to ask what happened to all of those progressive lefties who showed up at the doorstep of the Nat. Socialist German Workers Party. (And they did, like ants to a picnic.)

Like Barack, their guy also had his own solar symbol hoisted aloft on standards inside the Stade.

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Old 05-08-2015, 12:21 AM
 
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A strident proponent of 5,000,000-strong amnesty immigration-reform, and gun control ("We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar," he said to Sarah Brady (Over a barrel? Meet White House gun policy adviser Steve Croley - The Washington Post)), and imposition of collectivist Health Care Insurance mandates and new taxes in lieu of them for the edict's dissidents (and forcing employers to buy Plan B insurance), and signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, etc.; and "clinging to their guns and Bibles" mocking, and "You didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" asserting, and "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Climate Change chanting leftist Barack Obama also leverages the military industrial complex.
What did I just read?
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:22 AM
 
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A strident proponent of 5,000,000-strong amnesty immigration-reform, and gun control ("We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar," he said to Sarah Brady (Over a barrel? Meet White House gun policy adviser Steve Croley - The Washington Post)), and imposition of collectivist Health Care Insurance mandates and new taxes in lieu of them for the edict's dissidents (and forcing employers to buy Plan B insurance), and signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, etc.; and "clinging to their guns and Bibles" mocking, and "You didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" asserting, and "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Climate Change chanting leftist Barack Obama also leverages the military industrial complex.
What does this have to do with the holocaust.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:26 AM
 
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I wouldn't deny the holocaust, but might question its scope and the enthusiasm with which journalists and historians embroidered their accounts of WW II.

Example: William Shirer claimed that Julius Streicher always carried a whip which he used to mercilessly beat and torture prisoners. But if you look at Streicher's trial after the war, the only thing he was accused of was punching one person in a fit of rage. His only other crime, for which he was hanged, was publishing Der Stuermer, a bizarre anti-Semitic publication that no intelligent person would ever take seriously.

Another overlooked fact: A German prince in the SS accused Karl Koch -- commandant of Buchenwald -- of corruption. Koch was tried and convicted of brutal acts against prisoners not sanctioned according to the rules of the camps. That hardly fits the notion of "anything goes" that is commonplace nowadays.

The only true "death factories" that I know of were in Poland: Treblinka and Auschwitz. Treblinka was largely a failure. Camps such as Mauthausen, Buchenwald and Bergen Belsen were not equipped with numerous gas chambers and crematoria. Nor did they hold a lot of prisoners at any one time. The miserable condition of the prisoners at the end of the war had a lot to do with food shortages that affected all Germans at the time.

Does any of this prove anything? No, but it raises legitimate questions. One disturbing feature of "victor's history" is the fact that it omits the massacres of tens of thousands of Germans after the war.

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Old 05-08-2015, 12:28 AM
 
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Sorry, I just skimmed this. It was way too long to read. Can you summarize it
The writer went to the site of the Auschwitz camp comp!ex. The gas chambers were not 1940s originals in working order. Ergo, the Holocaust never happened.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:30 AM
 
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I wouldn't deny the holocaust, but might question its scope and the enthusiasm with which journalists and historians embroidered their accounts of WW II.

Example: William Shirer claimed that Julius Streicher always carried a whip around which he used to mercilessly beat and torture prisoners. But if you look at Streicher's trial after the war, the only thing he was accused of was punching one person in a fit of rage. His only other crime, for which he was hanged, was publishing the Sturmer, a bizarre anti-Semitic publication that no intelligent person would ever take seriously.

The only true "death factories" that I know of were in Poland: Treblinka and Auschwitz. Treblinka was largely a failure. Camps such as Mauthausen, Buchenwald and Bergen Belsen were not equipped with numerous gas chambers and crematoria. Nor did they hold a lot of prisoners at any one time. The miserable condition of the prisoners at the end of the war had a lot to do with food shortages that affected all Germans at the time.

Does any of this prove anything? No, but it raises legitimate questions. One disturbing feature of the "victor's history" that we hear about is the fact that it omits the massacres of tens of thousands of Germans after the war.
What enthusiasm. There was none. They were horrified by what they saw. And who are these persons you are talking about.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 12:56 AM
 
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What enthusiasm. There was none.
Yes, there was.

Embroidering accounts if fun and is often done with great enthusiasm.
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They were horrified by what they saw.
So what?
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And who are these persons you are talking about.
Look them up.
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