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IN what universe is Yoruba linked to Islam? I have a few books about Yoruba and Orishas, it is NOTHING like Islam!!!! Yoruba is an Animistic/Magical religion with numerous gods and goddesses, not only ONE which Islam has (Allah). Now you're just lying. Are you saying Yoruba is linked to Islam just because they are both located on the continent of Africa?
When were the mosques built in Brazil? Do you have evidence of exactly when? Which "Europeans" are you talking about, and in which slave colony?.....
LOL The Portuguese controlled Brazil, and you just said "Europeans", so that makes me doubt that you even know what you're actually talking about at all....
READ!
The Yoruba have long been linked with Islam. The Yoruba are an ETHNIC GROUP. There are Orisha practitioners AND Muslims among the Yoruba.
Stop putting on an act because you are in a hole now.
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How did Islam reach the Yorubaland?
It would be recalled that the bearers of Islamic religion to the present-day Nigerian areas were Muslim merchants. One of the oldest north-south trade routes connected Kanem-Borno with North Africa, specifically Tripoli area. By 15th Century the trade routes from North Africa to West Africa had connected Hausaland. By the middle of 17th Century some Islamic influence had reached Nupe in the present day Niger State of Nigeria. According to the lineage of Nupe Kings, the Etsu Nupe who reigned from about 1670-1679 was Muhammad Wari, obviously an Islamic name (Balogun 2000: 217). Many of the succeeding Etsus bore similar Muslim names, including Etsu Jibril (1746-1759) who was recorded as the first Muslim ruler by tradition. It is suggested that to be so described could mean that Jibril might have distinguished himself more than his predecessors as a more committed Muslim king.
From Nupe, some members of Islamic cleric, known as ulama moved further south into Yorubaland about 17th and 18th Centuries (Balogun 2000: 218-219). But it is also claimed that apart from Nupe Islamic influence into Yorubaland also came directly from Borno (ibid). By the middle of the 17th Century a Muslim community had existed in Oyo. By 18th Century Islam had spread not only to Oyo but also to Igboho, Kisi, Saki, Iseyin, Ikoyi, Ogbomoso, Owu, Ijana, Ketu and Baagri (ibid). And, before the end of 18th Century, the Yorubas were not only receiving the Islamic religion, they were also exporting it to Dahomey (ibid). This is notwithstanding the fact that the Yoruba converts to Islam at the time were still in minority vis-Ã -vis the followers of ATR.
Look up the Bahia Revolt of Brasil/Male Revolt Learn about its roots in Bahia's African community.
Portuguese are European. Stop grasping at straws. Stop attempting to undermine the history of Brazilians of African descent because of your personal issues with Islam.
If Americans did this......there would be no Christmas presents for the children. We have gone so far to helping others, we are forgetting our own identity.
Perhaps the society would then rid itself of the pagan holiday and focus on Scriptural holy days.
It is time we take a stand against this evil religion that wants to tell Americans what we can and cannot do or say. Listen to this man. He is the Face of Islam. Muslims are here, not to assimilate and become Americans. They are here to take over our land, and kill us if necessary. They are ready and willing to do so.
Free speech is our precious right. Pamela Geller's life has been threatened for exercising her free speech right, and this not just because of the recent cartoon contest - Pamela Geller speaks out to expose the evil of Islam to America. But for the recent Garland, TX cartoon contest, a FATWA has been issued. The FBI has not contacted her, nor has the Department of Homeland Security.
You're the one who is saying that "Voodoo is from Haiti" Sorry, no it's not... It DEVELOPED in Haiti, but it is an African religion from AFRICA that morphed into something that's now called Voodoo. It's not as if the natives of Haiti practiced it before the Africans were brought there. Voodoo is a version of an West African Animist religion, not Islam. That's my point. There is no version of Islam found in any of the original slave colonies. Which proves that none of the slaves were Muslim!
In your country there may have been Muslims, but not in the USA. I don't know what country you're from, but from the fact that there were no Muslim slaves in the USA, the Muslims in your country were most likely the slave brokers or the ones who caught the slaves and sold them.
Look at the map I posted above and see that the majority of slaves came from Sub-Saharan, (NON MUSLIM) West Africa, and the majority of slaves were brought to Brazil, not to the USA. Yet I don't see any evidence of even Brazilian slaves having practiced Islam in Brazil!!
Whether they were taken from Mali or not does not prove them to have been Muslim, which is what this argument is about.
Vodou is African.
The Voodoo of Haiti is syncretic.
Orisha religions and Islam are separate beliefs systems that both were present in the Americas among African slaves, particularly the Yoruba.
Stop running from the clear evidence of Islam among African slaves in the Americas.
The information regarding Islam among African slaves in the USA has been posted.
The information regarding Islam among African slaves, including the Yoruba, has been posted.
I descend from one of the countries discussed AND am a Yoruba descendants from one of the discussed settlement. You are completely uninformed about the spread of Islam in West Africa. Your information regarding Orisha religions is spotty as well. Your post no evidence of your claims because there is none.
Your claims are laughable and the height of ignorance.
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The poster has been given ample evidence of Islam among African slaves across the Americas. She simply doesn't want to accept it, even though she has no evidence to the contrary. The poster doesn't even realize the Islam had a significant presence in West Africa prior to and during the slave trade.
The poster has been given ample evidence of Islam among African slaves across the Americas. She simply doesn't want to accept it, even though she has no evidence to the contrary. The poster doesn't even realize the Islam had a significant presence in West Africa prior to and during the slave trade.
Prior to? Islam brought Arab slave traders into Africa as soon as they invaded the continent and its still there today. But, you know that.
No Muslims should be allowed to come into the USA and the ones here should be encouraged to go to their home countries. This is from the Quran, Surah 8:12-14.....When Allah inspired the angels, "I am with you, so make the Muslims strong; I will put terror in the hearts of non-Muslims." So cut off their necks and cut off every fingertip. Do that because they opposed Allah and His Apostle. And Allah is intent on punishing anyone who opposes Him and His Apostle. Radical Islam must be removed from the face of the earth.
You're taking that verse out of context. If you want to quote from the Quran, brush up on the historical significance of verses before you post so as not to create a false impression: The Holy Quran, Verse 8:12
It is time we take a stand against this evil religion that wants to tell Americans what we can and cannot do or say. Listen to this man. He is the Face of Islam. Muslims are here, not to assimilate and become Americans. They are here to take over our land, and kill us if necessary. They are ready and willing to do so.
Free speech is our precious right. Pamela Geller's life has been threatened for exercising her free speech right, and this not just because of the recent cartoon contest - Pamela Geller speaks out to expose the evil of Islam to America. But for the recent Garland, TX cartoon contest, a FATWA has been issued. The FBI has not contacted her, nor has the Department of Homeland Security.
We've been saying this for years. Look what's going on in France and England--no assimilation. Instead, they have their own little enclaves, but that doesn't mean they're not trying to encroach and impose their barbaric ideas throughout those countries. Then there's Sweden, fast becoming the rape capital of Europe, but still refusing to identify the enemy because in their PC nirvana, Somalis are "Swedes."
On the other issue of America and Muslims...America has helped our people out a *LOT* throughout the years. We can't ignore that they saved our people from genocide in Kosovo & Bosnia, and helped us purge the evil that was Communism from Afghanistan. Unfortunately the latter incident spurred on a group which murdered all of the legitimate Islamists in the country because of their opposition to terrorism against civilians. (Notably Abdullah Azzam)
I'll agree that America has done a lot to help Muslims, especially in the last 20 years or so. We have sacrificed thousands of young Americans trying to do so, to free them from brutal dictators, invasions and wars (from other Muslim countries) let alone the yoke of the Soviet Union before that.
Now, since the entire thread IS ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM, what exactly do you call the Taliban? Are you trying to distort the truth and pretend that they are not Muslim? That they are not "legitimate Islamists"? If not, just exactly what superstition are they praying to? Just exactly what religion does ISIS, Hezbola, Hamas, Broko Haram, the 9/11 terrorists, the Fort Hood terrorist, the Boston Bomber and now the Garland terrorists belong to? Are they say Buddists? Hindus? Catholics on a bad hair day?
I get it, far from all Muslims are terrorists. Yet denying that a great many terrorists are Muslim, and to deny that they are a risk to Americans, is to deny reality.
Isn't there a tenant in Islam that says it's acceptable to lie to "infidels"? Is this not just one more example? Along with many others in this thread?
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That's what happens when ya stick yer fingers in yer ears and only hear what ya wanna hear, eh?
Eh?
So, have you heard any so-called "peaceful Muslims" speak out??? Where? When? Who? Post some links, please.
Does CAIR speak out? They are the ones who claim to represent Islam here in America, the great advocates of "tolerance" that they are. All the while contributing to and supporting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations). You remember they are the "unindicted co-conspirators" in the Holly Land Foundation case don't you?
There is no such thing as a "peaceful Muslim."
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