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So what's the point, everything the minimum wager earnest has been brought into themselves, they want to earn more money, learn a skill, anything, conservatives have not done anything to cause the stupid to make less money. Is all on the backs of the minimum wage earner. Life not fair, sometimes it sucks, get off your azz
brownbagg, you'd be surprised how many people with degrees are working in low level jobs due to lack of opportunity in their fields, in large part due to outsourcing.
Besides, people who work low level jobs usually work harder than execs and managers, they are the ones producing the work that turns the profit. There'll always be many more of those positions than executive and managerial positions in a company. No one is saying they should make as much as an executive, only that they should be paid a fairer wage than they have been historically and presently in this country.
Capitalism is the greatest system in my opinion, but capitalism without rules to make it a fair system means the few get very wealthy, and the many do the work that makes the money without being fairly compensated. That's also what happened during the industrial revolution roughly between 1790-1870 in the U.S., and prior to that in Europe, along with slavery and indentured servants in this country.
The problem is if you raise the federal minimum wage to 10 or 15 dollars an hour like some are demanding, then you are setting the minimum at New York City levels......not Alabama's.
Many people on the Left love to characterize all the companies that pay minimum wage as huge corporate conglomerates with some greedy fat cat CEO raking in huge profits on the backs of people slaving to raise a family on minimum wage.
But the truth is most are small businesses (with small profit margins) that make up most of the jobs in this country, with a whopping 89.8 % of jobs coming from businesses with less than 20 employees.
What do you think would happen to these jobs if you arbitrarily doubled the cost of labor? (as raising min wage to 15/hr would do)
Do you really think that all businesses that cannot afford to pay their employees double what they make now should just go out of business because they're not big enough or successful enough to sustain doubling their labor costs?
And what happens to those people's jobs then?
What you guys don't seem to understand is the companies that do survive do so by learning how to make do with less employees, through increasing productivity, automation, outsourcing etc. And this affects all workers, not just minimum wage workers.
And when a company learns how to do what they do with 10 employees instead of 20......those 10 jobs that are gone are gone for good.
The Alabama level should be about $10/hr, and NY should be much higher.
brownbagg, you'd be surprised how many people with degrees are working in low level jobs due to lack of opportunity in their fields, in large part due to outsourcing.
no I see it everyday, we got couple engineers working as techs, not because there no jobs, they are just too stupid to be engineers, you take a class enough times you will pass it to get a degree. It not outsourcing, its not race, its intelligent, education, presentation.
look they will always be dumb people, nothing you can do about it, there will always be poor people, nothing you can do about it. there is no such thing as middle class. its poor on bottom rich on top, you hope to fall in between those. where you land is intelligent, education, drive, and you go kicking. Some times you going have to brown nose.
If you take the average joe, and he doesnt do anything stupid, he will make more than minimum wage.
Why don't conservatives offer minwage solutions instead of just blasting proponents?
Pffft......??? If you don't like earning $7.50 an hour, the solution is to WORK HARDER! Get an education! Prove yourself to your employer! Stand out from the crowd! Give a better company a reason to hire you and give you a better job! That is the Conservative solution, and people don't like it because it means they might have to do something differently in their lives instead of doing nothing differently and expecting something to change. It's easier to just elect people who will force your employers to pay you more for average work.
Pffft......??? If you don't like earning $7.50 an hour, the solution is to WORK HARDER! Get an education! Prove yourself to your employer! Stand out from the crowd! Give a better company a reason to hire you and give you a better job! That is the Conservative solution, and people don't like it because it means they might have to do something differently in their lives instead of doing nothing differently and expecting something to change. It's easier to just elect people who will force your employers to pay you more for average work.
People don't like it because its a big fraud and you know it as you type it. Just be 'good little boys and girls' smile at your boss and try really, really, really hard and who knows? By the time you're 40 you might make shift manager and get a 25 cent per hour raise. just like the conservative solution for health care: "don't get sick, you are irresponsible if you get sick, it must be something you are doing" Or for retirement (and or Social Security) "you need a retirement because you are stupid and week and you didn't save enough money out of your $7.50 an hour so now you expect someone else to take care of you" ad nauseum
brownbagg, you'd be surprised how many people with degrees are working in low level jobs due to lack of opportunity in their fields, in large part due to outsourcing.
More in large part to picking degrees with little practical value. The tech industry, highly outsourced, has only about a 3% unemployment rate. Does everyone want to work in the tech industry? No, of course not, but no one is guaranteed a well paying job in a field they want, people take jobs or careers just for the money all the time.
5 of the top 10 most popular degrees: history, english, liberal arts, biology, psychology. Is there any surprise people who graduate with degrees in those are working in low level jobs?
None of those are in the top 10 degrees with the highest employment rates.
1. Actuarial Science – 0.0% unemployment
2. Pharmacology – 0.0% unemployment
3. Educational Administration and Supervision – 0.0% unemployment
4. School Student Counseling – 0.0% unemployment
5. Geological and Geophysical Engineering – 0.0% unemployment
6. Astronomy and Astrophysics – 0.0% unemployment
People don't like it because its a big fraud and you know it as you type it.
Look, there are winners in this world, and there are losers. Everyone knows it but no one wants to accept it. Not everyone can be at the top you know, no matter how hard you socialists try, and by trying, all you're doing is cutting the top down and bringing everyone in to the middle. If you're content getting a job as a janitor or at a fast food joint, doing that, working that job for the rest of your life and never striving for anything better, then you'll get the pay you deserve. The left has based it's entire political platform on turning the losers against the winners, or as Alinsky himself might have put it, the have not's against the haves. It's sad really, how they aim to devalue success and hard work.
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Or for retirement (and or Social Security) "you need a retirement because you are stupid and week and you didn't save enough money out of your $7.50 an hour so now you expect someone else to take care of you" ad nauseum
I wouldn't blame them for not saving enough money out of their $7.50 ph, I would blame them for staying in a job that only paid $7.50 ph their entire lives. Why didn't you get an education? Learn a skill set? Now you can't afford to retire because you were satisfied with mediocrity your entire life? Too bad. Work till ya drop. Don't expect to be paid more for doing a job that a monkey can do.
Pffft......??? If you don't like earning $7.50 an hour, the solution is to WORK HARDER! Get an education! Prove yourself to your employer! Stand out from the crowd! Give a better company a reason to hire you and give you a better job
That is the Conservative solution, and people don't like it because it means they might have to do something differently in their lives instead of doing nothing differently and expecting something to change. It's easier to just elect people who will force your employers to pay you more for average work.
I'm sorry but that just doesn't work these days. It may of in the past but not now.
More in large part to picking degrees with little practical value. The tech industry, highly outsourced, has only about a 3% unemployment rate.
Does everyone want to work in the tech industry? No, of course not, but no one is guaranteed a well paying job in a field they want, people take jobs or careers just for the money all the time.
5 of the top 10 most popular degrees: history, english, liberal arts, biology, psychology. Is there any surprise people who graduate with degrees in those are working in low level jobs?
None of those are in the top 10 degrees with the highest employment rates.
1. Actuarial Science – 0.0% unemployment
2. Pharmacology – 0.0% unemployment
3. Educational Administration and Supervision – 0.0% unemployment
4. School Student Counseling – 0.0% unemployment
5. Geological and Geophysical Engineering – 0.0% unemployment
6. Astronomy and Astrophysics – 0.0% unemployment
I'm sorry but that just doesn't work these days. It may of in the past but not now.
Sure it does, it's just a lot harder. It's a lot more competitive. That means there are going to be a lot more people who don't make it. Cruel and unfair as it is, that's just the way it has to be. You can't save everyone, and most importantly, you can't build the bottom up by chopping off the top.
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