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Old 05-08-2015, 07:29 AM
 
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As the UCPD spokesperson pointed out “It may have been inconvenient, but people did at least have a way to get around”

Anyone who knows the campus knows that blocking Sather Gate would not stop anyone from getting to or from class.
No excuse for creating a hostile learning environment. Violently forcing students to go around campus to seek another access point may make students late for class or an exam. Not acceptable. Creating a violently hostile learning environment = expulsion. Period.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:31 AM
 
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Is Sather Gate the only entrance into the campus?
No and it isn't much of a gate to be frank. In fact the gate lies two blocks within the campus isn't connected to a fence (just a short stone facade along each side, and you can walk around it, or pick a number of other routes including cutting through a couple of adjacent buildings.



Blocking Sather Gate to protest whatever is a long standing UCB tradition that dates back to the early sixties. If a protest there stops you from going to class, you are either a first week freshman or someone who really doesn't want to be in class.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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No and it isn't much of a gate to be frank. In fact the gate lies two blocks within the campus isn't connected to a fence (just a short stone facade along each side, and you can walk around it, or pick a number of other routes including cutting through a couple of adjacent buildings.



Blocking Sather Gate to protest whatever is a long standing UCB tradition that dates back to the early sixties. If a protest there stops you from going to class, you are either a first week freshman or someone who really doesn't want to be in class.
Violently blocking students' access to class creates a hostile learning environment. Those students should be expelled. Period.

In what world does singing a song in a private setting that doesn't block anyone's access to class create a hostile learning environment calling for expulsion, but then actually violently blocking students' access to class doesn't?
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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Violently blocking students' access to class creates a hostile learning environment. Those students should be expelled. Period.
Which ones, the one's who tried to physically break through despite the fact that there were less confrontational ways of getting to class or those who physically held the line? If you say both then you might have some something of an argument. But as I've pointed out, blocking Sather Gate is a 40 some year old campus tradition soo

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In what world does singing a song in a private setting that doesn't block anyone's access to class create a hostile learning environment calling for expulsion, but then actually violently blocking students' access to class doesn't?
It's a Cal thing you wouldn't understand.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:45 AM
 
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Violently blocking students' access to class creates a hostile learning environment. Those students should be expelled. Period.

In what world does singing a song in a private setting that doesn't block anyone's access to class create a hostile learning environment calling for expulsion, but then actually violently blocking students' access to class doesn't?
No student was blocked from class.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Which ones, the one's who tried to physically break through despite the fact that there were less confrontational ways of getting to class or those who physically held the line?
Expel the students who blocked anyone's access. They have no way of knowing if seeking alternate access will cause anyone to be late to class or an exam resulting in negative consequences to the student whose access was blocked.


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It's a Cal thing you wouldn't understand.
Oh, I understand it perfectly well. Protest all you want on the sidelines. But the minute anyone violently blocks any other students' access to class, that creates a hostile learning environment calling for expulsion.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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You simply say " MOVE , you $%#@^&* Nazi trash!!!" Back it up with a pissed off look and they'll back down and let you pass. The protestors should be kicked off campus.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Granted, this happened at Cal Berkley which is basically ground zero for liberal stupidity, but if I were an administrator, parent, security, etc at this school, I'd be raising hell about this.

If I were one of the students trying to get to class, I probably would have ended up in a physical altercation.

Students block Sather Gate to protest police brutality, express campus climate concerns | The Daily Californian
I don't know what to think about this. My brother graduated from UC Berkeley, I know there are plenty ways to get to the classrooms.

That being said, I saw protesters once in front of the VA hospital. The hospital security guards asked the protesters to protest on the other side of the hospital, so they won't block the entrance. i think this is a better solution.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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No excuse for creating a hostile learning environment. Violently forcing students to go around campus to seek another access point may make students late for class or an exam. Not acceptable. Creating a violently hostile learning environment = expulsion. Period.
Actually you are missing the point that is WAS ACCEPTABLE ..... by Berkeley. This is part of our new "Transformed America". The MOB rules.

UCPD spokesperson Lt. Marc DeCoulode said there were three reports of assault during the protest, while no arrests were made.

UCPD officers were looking on from a distance throughout the protest, and DeCoulode also noted that the officers were in communication with campus administration before and during the event. Protesters violated campus “time, place and manner” rules governing public forums and rallies, DeCoulode said, by blocking Sather Gate, though UCPD did not take any action.


The Campus Police (with full authority by the Campus Administration) stood by and watched while students were assaulted. They gave control to the MOB. Madam Mayor in Baltimore did the same thing on the first night of the protests with her "give them space to destroy" and on the night of the Burning-Looting, when she issued the "Stand Down" orders to the Police.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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One word...... taser.
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