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Old 05-08-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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I'm not so sure, but clearly he's not as hardline conservative as President Bush probably hoped he'd be.

This piece in the New Republic, combined with yesterday's piece in USA Today certainly calls his conservatism into some question.

Lemme be clear...I think Roberts is extremely conservative, but it seems to manifest itself moreso on decisions regarding big business.

Chief Justice John Roberts Has Become Less Predictably Conservative | The New Republic
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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The horrible thing is the perversion of our supreme court into conservative and liberal factions instead of people who base decisions on laws.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Well, he didn't think Obamacare was unconsitutional. He is a good guy in my book.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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The horrible thing is the perversion of our supreme court into conservative and liberal factions instead of people who base decisions on laws.
You're right...that's NOT a good development.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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SCOTUS has always had ideological leanings.

Ideological leanings of U.S. Supreme Court justices - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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I'm not sure how you can think Roberts was incredibly conservative to begin with. He cruised easily through confirmation which tells you that other than for some grandstanding\fundraising (my wife got the Roberts = end of legal abortion letter from Ted Kennedy as she was a registered dem) that the establishment dems didn't see his as far-right.

TBH, it's probably your perception of him that has changed more than he has.

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Old 05-08-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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I'm not sure how you can think Roberts was incredibly conservative to begin with. He cruised easily through confirmation which tells you that other than for some grandstanding\fundraising (my wife got the Roberts = end of legal abortion letter from Ted Kennedy as she was a registered dem) that the establishment dems didn't see his as far-right.

TBH, it's probably your perception of him that has changed more than he is.
Considering who nominated him, clearly the expectation was that we'd be getting another Scalia. Bush sure as hell hoped so. The New Republic and the USA Today...bias aside, aren't writing these pieces because of some expectation that Roberts was slated to be the second coming of Earl Warren.

That said, I certainly believe that his head is hard right...but his heart is another matter altogether...apparently.

Again, there's a gulf between his views on business and social issues. How wide that gulf is is the question.
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Old 05-08-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Considering who nominated him, clearly the expectation was that we'd be getting another Scalia. Bush sure as hell hoped so. The New Republic and the USA Today...bias aside, aren't writing these pieces because of some expectation that Roberts was slated to be the second coming of Earl Warren.

That said, I certainly believe that his head is hard right...but his heart is another matter altogether...apparently.

Again, there's a gulf between his views on business and social issues. How wide that gulf is is the question.
I actually felt that Roberts was so highly respected that even though he was not "far right"....he could be appointed pretty easily as opposed to a dog fight or embarrassing loss of a weaker candidate from the further right.

Just my opinion though....I wasn't the fly on the wall when they decided on Roberts.

P.S. It was hillarious though watching both sides claim that Roberts would fundamentally change Roe vs. Wade so send money now! Suckers.
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Old 05-08-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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I actually felt that Roberts was so highly respected that even though he was not "far right"....he could be appointed pretty easily as opposed to a dog fight or embarrassing loss of a weaker candidate from the further right.

Just my opinion though....I wasn't the fly on the wall when they decided on Roberts.

P.S. It was hillarious though watching both sides claim that Roberts would fundamentally change Roe vs. Wade so send money now! Suckers.
Lol....funny you say that...

Because if you look at the SCOTUS over the last 60 or so years, there's a bigger trend of Conservative justices becoming more liberal over their tenure than the other way around.

In fact, liberal justices almost NEVER become more conservative over time.

So a lot of liberal whining is actually pretty stupid.
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Old 05-08-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Lol....funny you say that...

Because if you look at the SCOTUS over the last 60 or so years, there's a bigger trend of Conservative justices becoming more liberal over their tenure than the other way around.

In fact, liberal justices almost NEVER become more conservative over time.

So a lot of liberal whining is actually pretty stupid.
I haven't seen\paid attention too many appointments in my lifetime so I appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter.

My only opinion about Roberts was that he was widely respected and as close to center as you were going to get nominated from that president so I didn't care too much.
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