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Old 05-09-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's interdenominational, not fundamentalist.

And they have just as much right to have an afteschool club as any other group.
It's optional, not forced on the kids. Parents get to make that choice, not you.

And that's what the Supreme Court basically said.

And because of that ruling even Atheists can start an Atheist after school club, gays can start a Gay student after school club, etc.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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In the early days of the Republic, churches often doubled as the schoolhouse.
Well, that would save tax dollars now, wouldn't it Not to mention they didn't have the Department of
Education either. I see this as a win win situation, and I'm an atheist
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I think allowing clubs that preach and indoctrinate into superstitions and myths sets a dangerous precedent. Sure, some Christians are happy to see a Christian club in their schools to do some marketing to impressionable young minds. But once you allow one such club you HAVE to allow all of them. For example, the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian" sounds great, right? They are the specific iteration of the Aryan Nations. How about a few others:

Wicca
Wahhabi Islam
Satan Worship
Nation of Islam
ISIS
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc, etc

All have equal validity. Is this what people think is a good thing? To allow these various groups into a school setting where they have the opportunity to indoctrinate impressionable children?
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Cool now we can be a christian version of Saudi Arabia
Whaddya mean now?
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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Wicca
Wahhabi Islam
Satan Worship
Nation of Islam
ISIS
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc, etc

All have equal validity. Is this what people think is a good thing? To allow these various groups into a school setting where they have the opportunity to indoctrinate impressionable children?
As long has they allow the Santa Claus Club. I have a feeling he would win the indoctrination
competition, hands down.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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I think allowing clubs that preach and indoctrinate into superstitions and myths sets a dangerous precedent. Sure, some Christians are happy to see a Christian club in their schools to do some marketing to impressionable young minds. But once you allow one such club you HAVE to allow all of them. For example, the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian" sounds great, right? They are the specific iteration of the Aryan Nations. How about a few others:

Wicca
Wahhabi Islam
Satan Worship
Nation of Islam
ISIS
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc, etc

All have equal validity. Is this what people think is a good thing? To allow these various groups into a school setting where they have the opportunity to indoctrinate impressionable children?
The parents have to O.K. it and arrange it. While it is O.K. how many satan worshipers do you suppose are at your local school?

It also doesn't matter how it sounds. It's what separates the U.S. from many other countries.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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My son was in the YMCA aftershool program at his public school.
This was back in the early 90's.

You all know what the "C" stands for don't you ?

And I paid tuition for that. The YMCA has use of the facilities along with another group from the end of the school day until 6pm.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
I think allowing clubs that preach and indoctrinate into superstitions and myths sets a dangerous precedent. Sure, some Christians are happy to see a Christian club in their schools to do some marketing to impressionable young minds. But once you allow one such club you HAVE to allow all of them. For example, the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian" sounds great, right? They are the specific iteration of the Aryan Nations. How about a few others:

Wicca
Wahhabi Islam
Satan Worship
Nation of Islam
ISIS
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc, etc

All have equal validity. Is this what people think is a good thing? To allow these various groups into a school setting where they have the opportunity to indoctrinate impressionable children?
Right, they all have validity but how many have actually tried to do any type of after school program ?

And ISIS is a terrorist organization, not a religious group
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Right, they all have validity but how many have actually tried to do any type of after school program ?

And ISIS is a terrorist organization, not a religious group
They are, but they also have a religious component. Are we going to discriminate against them because they have committed terrorist acts and other primitive acts of brutality? Do we do so with all religious groups? The Inquisition and Salem witch trials were as brutal as anything in Islam. If we allow proponents of one superstition to recruit on school grounds, we have to allow all. That first amendment after all.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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It's interdenominational, not fundamentalist.
Not really. They have "evangelical" in the organization's name. And I first heard about this with the report that they were teaching some of the Bible stories as historical fact.

Do children really understand a "lake of fire" as being a psychological metaphor for a renewed outlook? Children don't think that way.
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