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BREASTFED infants are protected through the antibodies in their mother's milk, more so if their mothers had the natural diseases themselves. The longer a mother nurses her baby, the longer the baby will be receiving antibodies in her milk. Natural antibodies as opposed to manufactured chemical ones.
I can tell you that breastfeeding also helps to protect baby from norovirus also, but since is just "my" experience so I won't bother with that. Science people will think that is nothing but hogwash.
Breast is best. Antibodies produced by vaccination also cross into the milk, and antibodies from vaccination work just as well as those from having the disease. That is why pregnant women should take a pertussis booster (Dtap) with each pregnancy. Breast feeding also helps to protect against infections in other ways. For example, substances called glycans can reduce the risk from viruses that cause diarrhea, including Norovirus. However, some people are genetically resistant to catching Norovirus. If mom is genetically resistant to Norovirus, her milk can contain substances that keep Norovirus from binding to cells in the gut. Moms who are not genetically resistant cannot do that.
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About 5% of immunocompetent children receiving their first dose of MMR vaccine have mild measles with fever and rash. The vaccine strain can cause severe measles in immunocompromised people.” British Medical Journal [BMJ] CASE REPORT Rash in a 15 month old girl
I no longer consider Johns Hopkins a credible source, since they've now proven to be willing to dismiss their own information as error. Why should I then accept it?
What about the British Medical Journal? Are they too homeopathic quacks trying to besmirch the pharmaceutical industry and promote vitamins?
You see, there are NUMEROUS sources which report live virus shedding and vaccine induced illness, contrary to the false ascertions being regurgitated ad nauseam. This must be done, because the truth is exactly the opposite of the false narrative being promoted which claims that the unvaccinated pose the threat.
Of course, all one needs to do is utilize basic common sense to measure the legitimacy of such conflicting claims.
It's REEEEEAAAAL EEEEZZZY .... Ask one simple question .... who is more likely to be a vector for virus transmission ... a random person selected from a crowd who may or may not have been exposed to any virus, or a person who was injected with a virus deliberately?
I'll bypass your obvious bias here by using an analogy ... OK? Who is more likely to place an auto insurance claim .... a random driver selected from rush hour traffic, or the two drivers on the side of the road who just crashed into each other?
"What are the side effects of the measles vaccine?
Some children develop soreness in the local area of the shot, and occasionally a low-grade fever. Reports have also indicated rare cases of fevers greater than 103 degrees, usually five to 12 days after receiving the shot. Also some children develop a mild, measles-like rash about seven to 12 days after getting the measles vaccine. Children with this reaction can still get the measles vaccine in the future. Children with measles rash from the vaccine are not contagious to other people."
"When people throw the term 'vaccine shedding' around, they are referring to the virus in the vaccine being shed from a recently vaccinated person’s body. Before getting into vaccine shedding, I want to stress that this is super rare. Lots of parents are concerned about their children catching viruses from vaccinated children, when they should really be concerned about catching the virus from unvaccinated children.
Vaccine shedding research tells us that only live vaccines are a concern for shedding. And most vaccines are not live and don’t shed. The vaccines that are NOT live include: DTaP, Tdap, influenza shot, Hib, hepatitis A , hepatitis B, PCV, IPV, HPV, and the meningococcal vaccine."
"MMR is a live vaccine and based on research, the measles and mumps attenuated viruses do not cause shedding. The rubella virus has been found to rarely shed into breast milk."
Chicken pox virus: 5 cases out of 55 million doses in which someone caught chickenpox disease from someone who was vaccinated.
Rotavirus vaccine sheds in stool. Immunocompromised people are advised not to change diapers of vaccinated babies.
The nasal mist flu vaccine is shed; however, it has been modified so that it cannot live in the lungs. It cannot cause influenza disease.
True shedding of virus which can potentially cause disease occurred with smallpox vaccine (the nifty thing being that no one needs smallpox vaccine any more because smallpox has been eradicated from the face of the earth by vaccination) and oral polio vaccine. The US does not use the oral vaccine. It is still being used in areas where polio has not yet been eliminated, but even there it is being phased out.
The idea that the people who are spreading vaccine preventable disease are those who have been vaccinated is a myth.
"Among the currently recommended vaccines, the CDC and the WHO acknowledge that viral shedding has been observed with two vaccines, the live attenuated influenza vaccine (nasal spray flu vaccine) and the rotavirus vaccine. Both the nasal spray flu vaccine and the rotavirus vaccine contain live attenuated viruses, meaning that the vaccines are derived from disease-causing pathogens that have been weakened under laboratory conditions. Live attenuated vaccines provide protection against a disease when the weakened pathogen grows inside the body, stimulating an immune response in a vaccinated individual. The MMR vaccine is a live attenuated vaccine. However, because of the weakened state, the pathogen cannot cause a full-blown illness, only a mild form, if any.
Because the pathogen is alive, albeit weakened, the body can theoretically shed the weakened microbe. However, shedding of viruses in vaccines typically occurs in lower amounts than during shedding of wild-type viruses. In other words, weakened viruses in live attenuated vaccines can shed, but in weakened amounts. Thus, because weakened viruses in vaccines cause mild or no disease, shed weakened viruses also cause mild or no disease. As the CDC states in response to the shedding of the influenza virus in the nasal flu spray vaccine, serious illnesses have not been reported among unvaccinated persons who have been [infected inadvertently with vaccine viruses]."
"Despite claims from the anti-vaccination movement, current research fails to find evidence that individuals who receive the MMR vaccine shed the measles virus, subsequently spreading the disease prevented by the vaccine. On the contrary, widespread use of the measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99 percent reduction in measles cases compared with the pre-vaccine era in the United States. In 2000, measles was declared eliminated from the country. Only as vaccination rates have begun to decline has the highly-preventable illness made a resurgence. Vaccinated individuals do not shed the measles virus, but 90 percent of unvaccinated individuals who come into someone infected with the virus will contract the disease. The MMR vaccine prevents, and only prevents, the measles."
" 'Measles live vaccine doesn't transmit easily at all,' said Dr. Jane Seward of the CDC's Division of Viral Diseases. 'I don't think there has ever been a secondary transmission,' she added. 'There is no evidence of any transmission of measles virus from a child to household contacts.' "
Rotavirus is transmitted via the fecal oral route. If the rotavirus vaccine is causing shedding post vaccination then it means that those who have been vaccinated against rotavirus are just as contagious as a baby with active rotavirus. A baby with rotavirus would be kept home from daycare if they had the virus due to their symptoms. A baby who had just gotten the vaccine would not which means that their caregiver would still be changing the contagious baby's diapers as well as the diapers of the other children in their care increasing the odds of exposing others.
Breast is best. Antibodies produced by vaccination also cross into the milk, and antibodies from vaccination work just as well as those from having the disease. That is why pregnant women should take a pertussis booster (Dtap) with each pregnancy. Breast feeding also helps to protect against infections in other ways. For example, substances called glycans can reduce the risk from viruses that cause diarrhea, including Norovirus. However, some people are genetically resistant to catching Norovirus. If mom is genetically resistant to Norovirus, her milk can contain substances that keep Norovirus from binding to cells in the gut. Moms who are not genetically resistant cannot do that.
And rotavirus. So why do people want to take away my right as a mother to decide what is best for my child? If I want to forgo the rotavirus vaccine, stay home with my child (day care increases their risk of contracting it) and breastfeed, why can't I? If they catch rotavirus and I'm still breastfeeding then they will have additional protection through the milk which will help them get through it without complications. They also won't be spreading it around the daycare because I'm home with them. Why would my child be barred from attending public school because of that choice?
This is one if the more dastardly elements of SIDS. Denial. Sudden Infant Deaths go unexplained, but one thing is certain ... it can't be the vaccines. ... we don't know what's causing it, but it ain't that!!
Then, we discovered that many of these SIDS cases showed brain inflammation, and rather than investigate the vaccines given these infants which could very well explain such inflammatory response, the "Shaken Baby" excuse was concocted, and innocent parents prosecuted, with "experts" testifying against them with contrived circumstantial evidence and pure theoretical balderdash and baseless conjecture.
Talk about pure evil and adding insult to injury ... they poison and kill your baby, then they concoct this fabricated psuedo-science nonsense about how you murdered your baby, and send you to prison. Now that is evil on steroids, as if killing babies isn't evil enough!!
The incidence of SIDS has been reduced dramatically just by putting babies to sleep on their backs. Why would that work if vaccines played any part in SIDS?
"These results tell us that most SIDS deaths are due to factors like sleeping on their stomachs, cigarette smoke exposure, and mild respiratory infections."
did you read the part where they deduced that they were not detecting actively replicating virus?
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The finding that several of the urine samples were positive
for measles virus RNA as early as 1 day after vaccination was
surprising. In the previous study (19), none of the urine specimens
were positive by immunofluorescence before day 4.
Since a single cycle of viral replication would be expected to
take 17 to 24 h, it is unlikely that the RT-PCR detected the
progeny of virus replicating in the urinary tract. Rather, this
observation suggests that shortly after vaccination the input
virus or viral antigen, in the form of nucleocapsids, is deposited
directly into the bladder via interstitial fluid. This finding also
demonstrates the increased sensitivity of RT-PCR compared
with the immunofluorescence techniques that were used in
earlier studies (18).
Rotavirus is transmitted via the fecal oral route. If the rotavirus vaccine is causing shedding post vaccination then it means that those who have been vaccinated against rotavirus are just as contagious as a baby with active rotavirus. A baby with rotavirus would be kept home from daycare if they had the virus due to their symptoms. A baby who had just gotten the vaccine would not which means that their caregiver would still be changing the contagious baby's diapers as well as the diapers of the other children in their care increasing the odds of exposing others.
The shed vaccine virus does not cause illness. Wild virus causes illness. It does not matter whether the vaccine virus is "contagious". That would only matter if the vaccine virus was able to make someone sick. Immunocompromised people might be at risk, although that appears to be more theoretical than real, so they are advised to not have contact with diapers of vaccinated children.
What happens when the vaccine virus infects an unvaccinated person? In this study of pairs of twins, one of whom was vaccinated and the other not, 18% of the unvaccinated twins picked up the virus. None of them got sick. The study did not answer the question of whether the unvaccinated twins who picked up the virus developed immunity from it.
And rotavirus. So why do people want to take away my right as a mother to decide what is best for my child? If I want to forgo the rotavirus vaccine, stay home with my child (day care increases their risk of contracting it) and breastfeed, why can't I? If they catch rotavirus and I'm still breastfeeding then they will have additional protection through the milk which will help them get through it without complications. They also won't be spreading it around the daycare because I'm home with them. Why would my child be barred from attending public school because of that choice?
Because your child would have been shedding wild rotavirus for about two days before the diarrhea started. The only way your scenario would work would be if your child never had any contact with other children at all.
Since the rotavirus vaccine is not given after age 8 months, you will not find a school mandate for it anyway.
Pardon me, but I just cannot understand being willing to let your infant get a disease that can result in hospitalization and, rarely, death when a vaccine can prevent it. Even a super mom cannot guarantee she will be able to get a vomiting baby to nurse.
The shed vaccine virus does not cause illness. Wild virus causes illness. It does not matter whether the vaccine virus is "contagious". That would only matter if the vaccine virus was able to make someone sick. Immunocompromised people might be at risk, although that appears to be more theoretical than real, so they are advised to not have contact with diapers of vaccinated children.
What happens when the vaccine virus infects an unvaccinated person? In this study of pairs of twins, one of whom was vaccinated and the other not, 18% of the unvaccinated twins picked up the virus. None of them got sick. The study did not answer the question of whether the unvaccinated twins who picked up the virus developed immunity from it.
Shed vaccine virus is not the same as wild virus.
Why would Immunocompromised people be advised not to change diapers of vaccinated babies if there was no risk of shedding from babies who were recently vaccinated for rotavirus?
Because your child would have been shedding wild rotavirus for about two days before the diarrhea started. The only way your scenario would work would be if your child never had any contact with other children at all.
Since the rotavirus vaccine is not given after age 8 months, you will not find a school mandate for it anyway.
Pardon me, but I just cannot understand being willing to let your infant get a disease that can result in hospitalization and, rarely, death when a vaccine can prevent it. Even a super mom cannot guarantee she will be able to get a vomiting baby to nurse.
See above. You posted the info about Immunocompromised people being advised not to change diapers of vaccinated babies. Why would that be if there is no risk?
The rotavirus vaccine is not risk free. One of the risks of the vaccine is intussusception which is serious. The risk from rotavirus is dehydration. As a parent I know what the signs of dehydration are and would know if a hospital visit was warranted. Breastfeeding fortunately reduces the risk due to protective factors in the milk and since I breastfed past infancy, I knew that the risk of complications were reduced due to that. Rotavirus is just one of many illnesses that cause diarrhea so getting the vaccine doesn't mean that your child is not at risk from dehydration due to another intestinal illness that leads to diarrhea. Both of my kids have had such illnesses. One was vaccinated for rotavirus and the other was not.
“Rotavirus vaccine cuts deaths of Mexican babies from diarrhoea by 40%” states a January, 2010, British Medical Journal headline summarizing two studies.(1) Yet, a study of Brazilian children finds that exclusive breastfeeding cuts diarrhea cases in this similarly developing nation by a whopping 90% (1 / 9.41), versus a diet of formula and/or other foods.(2)
What's next? Forced breastfeeding? We all know that would never happen. Why? Because there is no money in it.
What's next? Forced breastfeeding? We all know that would never happen. Why? Because there is no money in it.[/QUOTE
Hospitals used to give out free samples of formula to new mothers (advertising/marketing) from pharms. Write offs for them. No longer allowed to do that. Good.
I used to work for the parent company of Mead Johnson (Enfamil). Employees got free formula as a perk of employment. Hey, anybody want to buy some cheap formula????? Everything is about following the $$$$$.
Why would Immunocompromised people be advised not to change diapers of vaccinated babies if there was no risk of shedding from babies who were recently vaccinated for rotavirus?
Because they are immunocompromised!
There is shedding of the vaccine virus. Who has said otherwise?
"Vaccination in Household Members
Immunocompetent persons who live in the same household as the immunocompromised patient can safely receive inactivated vaccines according to the recommended schedule from ACIP. If the immunocompromised patient is six months or older, household members may receive the inactivated influenza vaccine, or the live attenuated influenza vaccine if they are healthy, not pregnant, and two to 49 years of age. Exceptions include those who live with an immunocompromised person who received a hematopoietic stem cell transplant in the previous two months, who has graft vs. host disease, or who has severe combined immunodeficiency. Live vaccine should not be administered to these persons or, if administered, contact between the immunocompromised patient and household member should be avoided for seven days.
Healthy immunocompetent persons who live with an immunocompromised patient should receive the following live vaccines based on ACIP's recommended schedule: combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR); rotavirus for infants two to seven months of age; varicella; and zoster (Table 1). These persons can safely receive the yellow fever and oral typhoid vaccines for travel. Oral polio vaccine should not be administered to persons who live with an immunocompromised patient."
The US does not use the live polio vaccine.
Healthy household members should be vaccinated because the risk from a wild virus infection to the immunocompromised person is far greater than risk from acquiring a vaccine virus.
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The rotavirus vaccine is not risk free. One of the risks of the vaccine is intussusception which is serious. The risk from rotavirus is dehydration. As a parent I know what the signs of dehydration are and would know if a hospital visit was warranted. Breastfeeding fortunately reduces the risk due to protective factors in the milk and since I breastfed past infancy, I knew that the risk of complications were reduced due to that. Rotavirus is just one of many illnesses that cause diarrhea so getting the vaccine doesn't mean that your child is not at risk from dehydration due to another intestinal illness that leads to diarrhea. Both of my kids have had such illnesses. One was vaccinated for rotavirus and the other was not.
The Rotavirus vaccine would not be expected to protect against other causes of diarrhea. To me it makes sense to protect against what can be protected against. The absolute risk of intussusception with either of the Rotavirus vaccines in use in the US is small and vastly outweighed by the risk of wild Rotavirus infection.
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