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You have said this twice in this thread, I responded once but I will try again. there is no benefit in being able to claim that you are "living in poverty" Absent parents are charged up to 60% of their gross income in child support. If mom is on welfare the most she will see of that support is a $50 offset, the rest of it goes to the County as reimbursement for welfare costs.
And will say it again to you:
HOUSEHOLD INCOME DOES NOT INCLUDE CHILD SUPPORT.
By law, child support is not taxable income, and the right to child support belongs to the CHILD, not either of the parents.
Thus, where the premise of this thread and the study looks at what % of children are living in poverty based on HOUSEHOLD INCOME, the metric used will ostensibly not include child support "income."
And by the way, I actually did for a short time work in family law matters. Good luck collecting child support from men who have no jobs, unsteady jobs, or work under the table. Child support liens in the tens of thousands are not uncommon.
Pay the same effective tax rate as everyone else (flat tax) to fund Constitutionally mandated government expenses, and provide for oneself and one's dependents without having to take money from others to do so.
"The greatest nation on Earth" yet nearly 15% of Americans live under poverty... how come?
Yes, there is poverty everywhere but it's a shame most 1st world countries have lower percentage of poverty than us! Keep giving out billions of foreign aid and spend the money on war yet let people live under ***** in our own nation!
1. The US government bases poverty strictly on income. You could have, for example, a car, two flat screen TVs, a house, video games and cellphone but if your income is under X number of dollars, you are counted as poor. If you think poverty means no food, shelter or clothes, which is the picture most people see as poverty, you'd be wrong. There are a number of people without food, shelter or clothing but they are only a percentage of the US poverty number. I'm pretty sure the reason the US government counts poverty based strictly on income is because it's the easiest way to count it, not because any nefarious reason, but how do other countries measure poverty? If you are going to compare percentages of poverty between countries then every country should be counting it the same way.
2. The reason why we have always had immigration laws (also known as LEGAL immigration) is so that we don't let a whole bunch of poor people into this country burdening the US taxpayer. You don't think not enforcing immigration laws and letting double digit millions of poor people into this country has had an impact on poverty numbers?
Are you sure we are still considered 'the greatest nation'?
"We’re 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories. Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real and defense spending..."
So how do you get people to study and learn? If they don't want to learn they won't.
we had a lot of doers and producers. Now people think that because they live in this country they are automatically entitled to riches, other people's money.
By law, child support is not taxable income, and the right to child support belongs to the CHILD, not either of the parents.
Thus, where the premise of this thread and the study looks at what % of children are living in poverty based on HOUSEHOLD INCOME, the metric used will ostensibly not include child support "income."
And by the way, I actually did for a short time work in family law matters. Good luck collecting child support from men who have no jobs, unsteady jobs, or work under the table. Child support liens in the tens of thousands are not uncommon.
You didn't work in family law long enough or you would know that eventually most unemployed men do go back to work and the accrued child support obligation comes out of his check,AND his tax return. You claimed there is an advantage to a welfare family if it is not reported that the father and mother live together I proved you wrong, it's that simple.
The link you posted from Washington Post compares "relative" child poverty.
Which means the children live in households making less than half the national median. So right off the bat the metrics are not an equal playing field.
It also means absolutely ZERO about how those kids that live "in poverty" are fairing, or what programs and assistance exists to help those kids in poverty. Food assistance, housing assistance, etc. Do they have electricity? Clothes? TV/Cable? Video games?
The majority "in poverty" are not destitute and on the street. Though that does of course exist in tragic ways.
And yes, it matters that the children in poverty metric is based on a registered "household"... because unless one of the parents are dead, incarcerated, etc., then there's nothing "America" can do to make people pool their resources and raise their kids together. Single parents raising kids are as low as 16% for some groups, to a high of 67%.
I don't know what the stats in Estonia are for that sort of thing, do you?
That is HUGE. If just two parents, both working minimum wage, are together in a home, they would make enough to NOT qualify as "in poverty" if they had two kids.
Obviously it isn't possible to make exact comparisons concerning incomes in different parts of the world, but if you take the example I quoted, Estonia, you can see that even though income levels are far less than the US, children consistently produce better grades than their US counterparts. OECD Better Life Index
In that respect. the Washington Post article can be considered to be a fair assessment of educational results worldwide I would have thought.
So how do you get people to study and learn? If they don't want to learn they won't.
we had a lot of doers and producers. Now people think that because they live in this country they are automatically entitled to riches, other people's money.
As far as kids not wanting to learn, I disagree- I think all kids are born wanting to learn. It's a complex problem; schools in poor areas do not generally have the best teachers, the parents of the poor are frequently poorly educated and were never even taught how to take care of their kids - but short of forced sterilization or constant finger wagging, we are stuck with multi-generational poverty unless we do something different and get those kids educated so that they are employable.
Mexico and Brazil have improved the education of poor kids by paying parents to make sure they send their kids to school. Maybe recruit neighborhood kids who are in high school and offer them a small stipend to tutor younger kids and ensure that they get to school every day. Perhaps neighborhood grandmothers who put the fear of God into parents who don't send their kids to school. We might offer incentives to get the best teachers to work in the poorest schools and reward lower income families when the father stays in the home.
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Pay the same effective tax rate as everyone else (flat tax) to fund Constitutionally mandated government expenses, and provide for oneself and one's dependents without having to take money from others to do so.
Oh well, in that case, end the FED. Problem solved.
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