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Old 05-13-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The first thing he did was the Federal Reserve Act, then the IRS as a collection agency, then a World War to create debt for the Federal Reserve, then . . . the rest.

He opened the pox of evil for the United States.
Yeah, Woodrow Wilson is right up there as one of the worst Presidents in US history.

Federal Reserve Act
IRS
Harrison Act-the beginning of prohibition
WW1-The US slowly became the world's police due to WW.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Yeah, Woodrow Wilson is right up there as one of the worst Presidents in US history.
Actually he's rated really highly by historians, in the top ten. The thing is to look at the decisions by the person themselves and isolate that from what the rest of the government/world situation was doing.

The Fed was ultimately a good decision, because with the exception of during the 70s and during the mid 2000's it really has benefited our economy, as our currency has been pretty stable. But that's a side note.

WW1... it's hard to say there. I don't know what the best move would have been.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Actually he's rated really highly by historians, in the top ten. The thing is to look at the decisions by the person themselves and isolate that from what the rest of the government/world situation was doing.

The Fed was ultimately a good decision, because with the exception of during the 70s and during the mid 2000's it really has benefited our economy, as our currency has been pretty stable. But that's a side note.

WW1... it's hard to say there. I don't know what the best move would have been.

I HIGHLY disagree with the bolded, and so would many, many others. The USD has lost something like 90% of it's value since JP Morgan and his ilk had Senator (Puppet) Aldrich push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress in 1910.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I think history will genuinely rate George W. Bush as one of the worst if not the worst. He doesn't have a single positive accomplishment. It wasn't enough that he took the most prosperous economy in US history and turned it into the Great Recession. It wasn't enough that he took the surplus and turned it into the biggest deficits in the history of the US. It wasn't enough that he rolled back all of the positive accomplishments of the Clinton administration in the areas of science and the environment. He had to take America's global sympathy following 9/11 and squander it on an unjust war in Iraq, thus making the world hate the US. It's difficult to believe that everything that happened actually happened. I also don't see America ever fully recovering, for various reasons. If Bush wasn't the worst, he will be among the top three.
Absolutely, 100% spot on true. Could not agree more!
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Taos NM
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I HIGHLY disagree with the bolded, and so would many, many others. The USD has lost something like 90% of it's value since JP Morgan and his ilk had Senator (Puppet) Aldrich push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress in 1910.
Well, all currencies have inflated. I'd rather have USD be my currency than Japans for instance.

The period after the Fed is much better macro economically because it's not inflation thats bad, it's changes in the rate of inflation that are bad. People can account for and adjust for a constant inflation.

Are there setups that would be better than our setup of the Fed? Sure. But the way currency was in 1910 wouldn't work nearly as well if it was left unchanged.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Admittedly the bubble burst on George's watch although the origins were from years before under other adminstrations.Both R and D. Gov't should act like good executive management and constantly monitor and research to avoid disasters and be proactive. For some reason this nutmeg of information is lost on gov't types.

Really Obamas had done nothing to resolve issues predating his admin or worked to make a better present or longterm future. It really has been about fire brigading and lately ego projects for legacy. I am not a recipient of the Affordable Care Act so that bit is not applicable to me. Maybe it was a Gov'tsend [new word there notice?] to those in need.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:40 AM
 
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Actually he's rated really highly by historians, in the top ten. The thing is to look at the decisions by the person themselves and isolate that from what the rest of the government/world situation was doing.

The Fed was ultimately a good decision, because with the exception of during the 70s and during the mid 2000's it really has benefited our economy, as our currency has been pretty stable. But that's a side note.

WW1... it's hard to say there. I don't know what the best move would have been.
Wilson delayed our entry into WW1 for a very long time, but the Zimmermann telegram was too much to overlook.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Wilson delayed our entry into WW1 for a very long time, but the Zimmermann telegram was too much to overlook.
True. Some folks really think it was ok for German submarines to sink U.S. merchantships? Can you imagine if that were allowed today. There would be a hue and a cry for the President's skin to allow our ships to be sunk. Look at the piracy issue in Somalia....
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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True. Some folks really think it was ok for German submarines to sink U.S. merchantships? Can you imagine if that were allowed today. There would be a hue and a cry for the President's skin to allow our ships to be sunk. Look at the piracy issue in Somalia....
The German embassy attempted to place warnings in 50 US newspapers, including in New York, that the waters which the Lusitania was crossing were in a state of war, but was blocked by the US Government.

Only 1 warning was eventually printed in the Des Moines Register. England had a vested interest in dragging the US into war, and they already had the perfect puppet as President.

In 2008 divers estimated that four million round of U.S.-manufactured Remington .303 bullets lie in the Lusitania's hold. History is written by the victors, always.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Prize Rules were in effect which Germany signed off on. Submarines sinking passenger ships without warning was a novel and barbarous form of war.

A lot of precedent set in WW1 which was considered not done in earlier wars between civilized nations.

Today terrorist attacks ala 9/11 using human drones have their miniature versions in the remotely controlled drone strikes conducted by US forces. Nothing changes.

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