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Old 05-19-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Bernie is a few french fries short of a happy meal.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It will also devalue every undergrad degree earned prior to the free thing, and will be nothing more than HS diploma redux.
Undergrad degrees are already devalued. More and more employers now want Masters degrees.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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I am talking about republicans. They would blame everyone else. I place blame where it belongs. No where else. If you want to believe that or not is up to you and personally I don't care if you do. No one asked you to. I give truth whether people choose to believe truth is up to them.
Like I said, Delusional.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Student loans got nationalized in 2009. Bush had nothing to do with nationalizing the student loan industry. This was 100% Obama.

This is midway through 2015. You think 6.5 years isn't long enough to see the effects ?
Student loan debt skyrocketed since it was nationalized. The USG is handing out money like it's candy to kids wanting to go to college. The government is actually part of the problem of rising student loan debt.

Student loan debt was about $23K in 2007 and it's now about $29K in 2015.
Total student loan debt is now $1.6 TRILLION dollars.
23K is still high. Also you need to remember that loans went up when costs went up due to states cutting back funding. Arizona for instance is DOUBLE the tuition it was on 2007 today.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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whats not fair? The GI Bill?
I read that as being said sarcastically. When the GI Bill was passed, the government did not retroactively go back and pay veterans who had already gotten advanced training or college degrees with their own resources.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What does that have to do with how much it should cost?
If their complaint is ROI, they should first be circumspect on what they're investing in in the first place.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I am in favor of this but only if the number of college admissions do not increase as a result.

Level the playing field to where the only things that matter as to who receives a college education are intelligence, SAT (or ACT) scores, high school performance, and admissions essays and interviews -- and NOT not the ability to pay and who Mommy and Daddy are or were.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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Undergrad degrees are already devalued. More and more employers now want Masters degrees.
Devlaued, but make undergrad free and they are all essentially as worthless as a high school diploma. Then we'll repeat this cycle with graduate degrees, where everyone should be able to go to law/medical/grad school for free, making all those degrees worthless, and so on and so on.

And nothing will change. The folks who work harder/smarter/faster/better will keep getting ahead, and those who don't will keep bitching about unfair it all is.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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I think this is a good idea. k12 is free. Why can't college be?

Bernie Sanders to Introduce*Bill*to Make College Tuition-Free - Bloomberg Politics
Free, as in it won't cost anything? Wow, how nice of the admin and staff of those schools to do all of this for free.

Or is it "free" as in we as a nation will go further into debt, pile all that interest and debt onto our grandchildren in order to make our lives easier, for us?

Color me shocked that a a politician would come up with another taxpayer funded "free" give-away ploy to get elected. Selling our children's future for a cheap temporary political gain.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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I am in favor of this but only if the number of college admissions do not increase as a result.

Level the playing field to where the only things that matter as to who receives a college education are intelligence, SAT (or ACT) scores, high school performance, and admissions essays and interviews -- and NOT not the ability to pay and who Mommy and Daddy are or were.
Every time the government gets involved in the free market system, by giving away financial assistance, costs go up, up, and up. Look at education from K-12 to college, and our health care system, the more money government tosses out there to spread the wealth around, the more costs go up.

We would see new car prices soar if government started to hand out free financial assistance vouchers for lower income people to buy a new car.
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