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Old 05-21-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I can see it now..Clinton signed NAFTA and yet people blame the Repubs.
Because the Republicans created NAFTA.....most liberals blame Clinton and the Republicans for NAFTA. Of course the right wingers seem to think it was only Clinton who created NAFTA, somehow got it through Congress without Republican support, and then signed it into law....nope, it had the Republicans' name all over it when they sent it to his desk.

Now why is it whenever you bring up NAFTA, you always skip over that fact? Had the Republicans stopped NAFTA in the Congress there would have been nothing for Clinton to sign.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:18 PM
 
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*crickets*

Yeah. Thats what thought.
This is pathetic and sad. TPP is Obama's baby, the buck stops with the guy who signs the thing. Besides most Democrats who voted no were only doing it for the dog and pony show. If it needed 80 votes to pass, it would have gotten 80 votes.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because the Republicans created NAFTA.....most liberals blame Clinton and the Republicans for NAFTA. Of course the right wingers seem to think it was only Clinton who created NAFTA, somehow got it through Congress without Republican support, and then signed it into law....nope, it had the Republicans' name all over it when they sent it to his desk.

Now why is it whenever you bring up NAFTA, you always skip over that fact? Had the Republicans stopped NAFTA in the Congress there would have been nothing for Clinton to sign.
Nothing becomes law until a President signs it. Did you know that ?
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This is pathetic and sad. TPP is Obama's baby, the buck stops with the guy who signs the thing. Besides most Democrats who voted no were only doing it for the dog and pony show. If it needed 80 votes to pass, it would have gotten 80 votes.
Those Dems in Congress are just saving their sorry *sses for the next election.
Obama's out so they can go against him. They, on the other hand, will want to get re-elected.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Nothing becomes law until a President signs it. Did you know that ?
And do you know how something gets to a president's desk? Because your posts make it sound like you don't. Did Clinton create NAFTA and signed it without Congressional approval?

Oh and because I have to keep reminding you...NAFTA IS ALSO BILL CLINTON'S FAULT.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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And do you know how something gets to a president's desk? Because your posts make it sound like you don't. Did Clinton create NAFTA and signed it without Congressional approval?

Oh and because I have to keep reminding you...NAFTA IS ALSO BILL CLINTON'S FAULT.
This is a very fundamental problem with right-wingers. They think we also think like them, and don't blame our own party for mistakes they make. They are totally wrong, as evidence by the fact that anyone who isn't a right-winger on CD considers Obama to not be a leftist.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I guess we have found the one thing right wingers in Congress seem to agree with Obama on. The one time I was hoping they would disagree with him just because it is Obama.....thanks Republicans, you let me down.

Maybe if we outsourced health care insurance to the Chinese, the Republicans would support that too.
this ^
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Republicans are more to blame on this one, but defending either side is insanity. Remember how much Obama seems to want this disastrous deal.

It is not just about trade but is an answer to the question, Should American economic and military influence in the Asia-Pacific region end at Guam or Midway Island? or should it extend to China's doorstep? Do Americans want to maintain ties with Burma, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore Thailand, Indonesia, Australia, Korea, Japan and the Philipines or will these nations have to make their peace with China and join China's giant economic Zone and provide bases for the People's Army, Air Force and Navy China's 21st Century Great Wall. China would very much like to see us pack up and leave this all to them.
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Corporations are people, my friend.

When the sheep heard Willard say this, they all nodded in unison.
Corporations are the only people I know that can't be convicted of murder or sentenced to death by lethal injection, the gas chamber, the electric chair, firing squad or hanging if they are criminally negligent and cause somebodies death?
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This is a very fundamental problem with right-wingers. They think we also think like them, and don't blame our own party for mistakes they make. They are totally wrong, as evidence by the fact that anyone who isn't a right-winger on CD considers Obama to not be a leftist.
Obama is a moderate who has sided with the left on a number of topics, as well as didn't go far enough to the left on others, but then there are things like this where he has gone to the right and I don't agree with him on.

Unfortunately for us, the Republicans are right there to help Obama when it is something they really want.
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