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Old 06-07-2015, 12:48 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Originally Posted by Seagrape Grove View Post
The Duggar "scandal" can be discussed endlessly but when all is said and done, there are three main things that I take away from this:

1) Everyone has something to hide.

2) There are mean spirited people around who relish in the misfortune of others.

3) Police records of juvenile offenses are not necessarily forever sealed.

Numbers 1 and 2 I already knew. Number 3 was a surprise.
Indeed, sometimes the price you pay for fame; with the good comes the bad.

 
Old 06-07-2015, 01:15 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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No, they took him to see an off-duty police officer and family friend who; a) Was also a mandatory reporter and never made an official report. And b) Is now serving a 56-year-prison term on child pornography charges.

No... the Duggar's shoved this on the plate of the officer in prison for pornography.

Duggar's aren't being completely honest. Here's the report, Nearly 4 yrs after the 2002 incidents. By this time Josh were nearly 18ys old.

Date of report 12/ 07/ 06

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Old 06-07-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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There were never cameras 24/7. Filming happened about 3x per week for a few hours at a time, one of those days being mostly interviews.
Growing up on television then. How about that?

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Originally Posted by Hollynla View Post
That is different from what they said in the interview. They said they took him to the police headquarters and brought along a witness. That's where Josh confessed to the officer on duty (not a friend). Again, misinformation has been spread since day 1, but so many want to hold on to it. That officer has been asked to verify this (yes he is behind bars now, but how was anyone to know what would happen in the future). He verified that info. He was not a family friend.
They said a lot of things different in the interview. Honestly, would you not expect them to try and put this in a good light?

He DID verify that he was a family friend. That he knew JimB and that JimB deliberately sought him out. They had worked together on something to do with dealerships etc.

You accuse everyone else of believing the believing the MSM but you are choosing to believe that the Duggars are exactly as they are protrayed on television.

Tell me, what is up with Michelle's breathy voice and vacant stare with open mouth every time Jim Bob spoke? I'm sorry but that is not normal behavior. She is either overacting or (more likely) taking some kind of Benzo.
Watch it with an open mind and tell me that is any kind of normal.

Nope.

None of this means I hate them; I watched their show all the time. Granted, I NEVER believed that they were any kind of normal.

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You have fallen prey to the liberal MSM who wants you to celebrate Caitlyn Jenner and banish this family for who they are. No children were "beaten". The lies that have been spread and assumptions made, on this thread alone, about these people is absolutely ridiculous. It's obvious some of you don't care what is the truth and what is media sensationalism, you still are having a blast hating this family.
And you know this HOW? When you see what they have endorsed on their on site ? I'm not saying they did or they didn't. I am saying that you have no more idea of what went on than anyone else.

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No they didn't. Licensed counselors are mandated reporters.
On this I am thinking - could it have been in 2006 after the authorities were notified? You know, when a social worker told Jessa that her parents were 'good parents' AND that 'her home was safe for children'.

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Like I said earlier, I know you will continue to believe what the MSM has said and other lies. I'm not going to change your mind. Your mind is set. You love that you can hate so easily. It's sad but that's what this world has come to.
Why your hate? Why assume that everyone who doesn't fall into lock-step with your opinion is guilty of hate? That certainly is what the Duggars have been guilty of in the past. Point the finger at everyone else but then SCREAM 'persecution' whenever the finger is pointed back at them.

I'm guessing they won't be discussing the finer points of that particular hypocrisy. That's too bad.

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I know that blaming "MSM" is trendy and in right now, but has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe some of us are capable of independent thought? In my case, years ago in college I did research on the Quiverfull movement which included the Duggars in the early days of their TV show. I base my opinions on the Duggars on their own blog, their words, Michelle's horrible robocalls, and the religious leaders they follow.

The Duggars have never stopped from spreading their hate. Josh Duggar worked for a homophobic hate group, for crying out loud! Why should I reserve my disgust with their misogynistic, controlling Gothardist cult when they have never showed similar respect for others - going as far as continually lying that the GBLTQ community is somehow a threat to children.

Your responded to a previous poster about how MSM wants us to support Caitlyn Jenner but not the Duggars. News flash: I would have supported Caitlyn Jenner 15 years ago - and I grew up in rural Georgia!
I think that is huge here. Their condemnation of others and the expectation that they will not be condemned in return. The Duggars are a political family. They worked hard to deny the civil rights of others.

Whether or not one agreed with Caitlyn's position ~ who has SHE condemned? Who has SHE pointed the finger at and said basically ~ "You are less than me. You don't deserve to marry or use my bathroom".


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So your hate is because they do not support the gay movement. Your just basically backed up what I thought to begin with.
It's not that they 'don't support the gay movement'. Certainly they are entitled to their opinion. But they used their fame for political reasons. They actively worked to deny the rights of people different from them. They were NOT tolerant. Yet, they are demanding tolerance from everyone for THEIR family and their transgressions.

WHY would JimB come out and say that child molesters should be put to death - knowing that his own son was one? Because that is just for OTHER people. People who believe differently from them. THEIR children should not face ANY consequences.

Please.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 View Post
Growing up on television then. How about that?



They said a lot of things different in the interview. Honestly, would you not expect them to try and put this in a good light?

He DID verify that he was a family friend. That he knew JimB and that JimB deliberately sought him out. They had worked together on something to do with dealerships etc.

You accuse everyone else of believing the believing the MSM but you are choosing to believe that the Duggars are exactly as they are protrayed on television.

Tell me, what is up with Michelle's breathy voice and vacant stare with open mouth every time Jim Bob spoke? I'm sorry but that is not normal behavior. She is either overacting or (more likely) taking some kind of Benzo.
Watch it with an open mind and tell me that is any kind of normal.

Nope.

None of this means I hate them; I watched their show all the time. Granted, I NEVER believed that they were any kind of normal.



And you know this HOW? When you see what they have endorsed on their on site ? I'm not saying they did or they didn't. I am saying that you have no more idea of what went on than anyone else.



On this I am thinking - could it have been in 2006 after the authorities were notified? You know, when a social worker told Jessa that her parents were 'good parents' AND that 'her home was safe for children'.



Why your hate? Why assume that everyone who doesn't fall into lock-step with your opinion is guilty of hate? That certainly is what the Duggars have been guilty of in the past. Point the finger at everyone else but then SCREAM 'persecution' whenever the finger is pointed back at them.

I'm guessing they won't be discussing the finer points of that particular hypocrisy. That's too bad.



I think that is huge here. Their condemnation of others and the expectation that they will not be condemned in return. The Duggars are a political family. They worked hard to deny the civil rights of others.

Whether or not one agreed with Caitlyn's position ~ who has SHE condemned? Who has SHE pointed the finger at and said basically ~ "You are less than me. You don't deserve to marry or use my bathroom".




It's not that they 'don't support the gay movement'. Certainly they are entitled to their opinion. But they used their fame for political reasons. They actively worked to deny the rights of people different from them. They were NOT tolerant. Yet, they are demanding tolerance from everyone for THEIR family and their transgressions.

WHY would JimB come out and say that child molesters should be put to death - knowing that his own son was one? Because that is just for OTHER people. People who believe differently from them. THEIR children should not face ANY consequences.

Please.
The msm reported many things, the Duggars reported some of things differently, but you assume the media is the correct one. That's interesting too. People have heard some of the misinformation from the msm so many times that even though it is spelled out differently in the police report, some people are still going with misinformation. Bottom line is, if this family were black, muslim, insert other ethnicity, this would not a non issue. They are so easy to people like you to hate because of who they are. White, conservative, Christian, etc. The fact that they do not agree with the gay movement makes no different in this case whatsoever, but yet it's discussed in this thread as if it changes some sort of facts on the whole story. What Josh did was wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't, but I do believe it has been blown so far out of proportion that no one really knows what to believe anymore. The crazy assumptions that I've read in this thread are almost laughable. The haters who are getting their rocks off at what the family is going through is sad.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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That is different from what they said in the interview. They said they took him to the police headquarters and brought along a witness. That's where Josh confessed to the officer on duty (not a friend). Again, misinformation has been spread since day 1, but so many want to hold on to it. That officer has been asked to verify this (yes he is behind bars now, but how was anyone to know what would happen in the future). He verified that info. He was not a family friend.
Right - misinformation is being spread and it's the Duggars who are spreading it. It is well documented that they took Josh to a family friend who was a cop who gave him a "stern talking to." In fact, the Duggars were the ones who reported that in the first place and then backpedaled when it came out that the cop was actually a pedophile currently spending 56 years in prison on child porn charges (granted, I truly don't think the Duggars knew that). That said, the cop from jail said the Duggars even lied to him, saying there was only one victim which is why the cop did not file a report.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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So your hate is because they do not support the gay movement. Your just basically backed up what I thought to begin with.
Is that what you got out of what I said? I hate them because they allowed their 4 daughters and a 5th child to be abused. I hate them because they said IN THEIR OWN INTERVIEW THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING IS 100% TRUE that they knew about TWO INCIDENTS before the THIRD CONFESSION made them seek help. They are guilty of allowing this to continue. I hate them because they took their religious beliefs from their home and their church and used them to lobby for political policies. I hate them because they lied in order to accomplish this lobbying.

Are you OK with parents protecting one child at the expense of 5 others? Are you OK with adults lying to salvage their reputation? It doesn't matter WHAT they believe, they are wrong. They would be wrong if they were atheists or, like me, Jewish. I hope that we as a society can condemn people like the Duggars for what they are.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by Hollynla View Post
The msm reported many things, the Duggars reported some of things differently, but you assume the media is the correct one. That's interesting too. People have heard some of the misinformation from the msm so many times that even though it is spelled out differently in the police report, some people are still going with misinformation. Bottom line is, if this family were black, muslim, insert other ethnicity, this would not a non issue. They are so easy to people like you to hate because of who they are. White, conservative, Christian, etc. The fact that they do not agree with the gay movement makes no different in this case whatsoever, but yet it's discussed in this thread as if it changes some sort of facts on the whole story. What Josh did was wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't, but I do believe it has been blown so far out of proportion that no one really knows what to believe anymore. The crazy assumptions that I've read in this thread are almost laughable. The haters who are getting their rocks off at what the family is going through is sad.
What is laughable is that you apparently have failed to even read the police report OR the interview that Hutchins himself gave.

I really tire of you characterizing everyone who disagrees with you as 'haters'. Bottom line, if this family were NOT on reality television - this would be a non-issue. What about that do you fail to understand? NO ONE would ever have heard of this family had THEY not chosen to display their family on camera. Also - it was THEIR choice to involve their family in hate politics. Why would they denigrate others knowing all the while what skeletons were lurking in their own closet?

I hate that they attempted to minimize the molestation. "It was just over the clothes'. And then ' it was under the clothes but only for a second". Like it was no big deal. Like - we can't hold hands but a little brotherly cop and feel . . no problem.

Straight from the horses mouth.

You wish to defend child molestation as nothing in order to continue watching your tv show. That is how you 'get your rocks off'.


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Originally Posted by charolastra00 View Post
Is that what you got out of what I said? I hate them because they allowed their 4 daughters and a 5th child to be abused. I hate them because they said IN THEIR OWN INTERVIEW THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING IS 100% TRUE that they knew about TWO INCIDENTS before the THIRD CONFESSION made them seek help. They are guilty of allowing this to continue. I hate them because they took their religious beliefs from their home and their church and used them to lobby for political policies. I hate them because they lied in order to accomplish this lobbying.

Are you OK with parents protecting one child at the expense of 5 others? Are you OK with adults lying to salvage their reputation? It doesn't matter WHAT they believe, they are wrong. They would be wrong if they were atheists or, like me, Jewish. I hope that we as a society can condemn people like the Duggars for what they are.
I think this poster is ok with exactly that. 7 times this boy molested his sisters and everyone is supposed to just 'sweep it under the rug' as did the parents.

Sorry. Most of us cannot do that.

I truly hope this family sees the error in how they are raising these children; isolating them from the world; homeschooling them via ATI methods; and never giving them a chance at a real life.

Everyone that would deny them that in order to continue watching this fairy tale - those are the delusional ones.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 02:37 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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I hate them because they said IN THEIR OWN INTERVIEW THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING IS 100% TRUE
Anyone who thinks Jim Bob and Michelle were 100% honest, hasn't taken time to find the facts.

Personally, I lost respect for them. Not because their son had/has a problem, but because they did a national interview where the truth twisted for the public. Jim Bob out right lied.
 
Old 06-07-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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I know that blaming "MSM" is trendy and in right now, but has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe some of us are capable of independent thought? In my case, years ago in college I did research on the Quiverfull movement which included the Duggars in the early days of their TV show. I base my opinions on the Duggars on their own blog, their words, Michelle's horrible robocalls, and the religious leaders they follow.

The Duggars have never stopped from spreading their hate. Josh Duggar worked for a homophobic hate group, for crying out loud! Why should I reserve my disgust with their misogynistic, controlling Gothardist cult when they have never showed similar respect for others - going as far as continually lying that the GBLTQ community is somehow a threat to children.

Your responded to a previous poster about how MSM wants us to support Caitlyn Jenner but not the Duggars. News flash: I would have supported Caitlyn Jenner 15 years ago - and I grew up in rural Georgia!
Excellent post.

The Duggars are being publicly lambasted because of the choices they made. They willingly chose, because they wanted the $$$, to show anyone with cable all sorts of things. The most bizarre being Anna Duggar giving birth, on camera, while sitting on a toilet. (Second only to filming Grandpa on his deathbed. Really, Duggars?) The most hateful being Josh lecturing Gay America about sin and Michelle's robocall about molestation. Look out! They knew more about both than anyone knew.

Normal older brothers do not molest their younger sisters. Normal parents do not decide to deal with it by putting a lock on a bedroom door and declaring there would be no more games of hide-n-seek.

They are nowhere near a normal family. This has been the Jim Bob and Michelle's Traveling Circus and Side Show and it exists for one reason: Michelle has an abnormally efficient reproduction system.

They chose to draw a target on themselves and were arrogant enough to think no one was going to notice it. Surprise, surprise. People noticed it.

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Old 06-07-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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So your hate is because they do not support the gay movement. Your just basically backed up what I thought to begin with.
Oh please, The Duggars have systematically campaigned and made laws against the rights of gays and lesbians..."...they don't support the gay movement..." white washes the hate filled, misogynistic, bigots they are.
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