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Old 05-23-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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So you support a brother molesting his sisters?
Appears as though there are quite a few people who do
All in the name of.God

 
Old 05-23-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The FRC isn't a hate group just because it speaks out against gay marriage'. It's a hate group because it spreads malicious 'smear and fear' propaganda and lies and about gay and lesbian people. Not really much different to neo-nazi groups or the KKK really.
Really?
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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He didn't "molest" anybody.

What do you have to say about Lena Dunham?
Touching his Sisters vaginas while they were sleeping is not molesting? WTF?

And Lena Dunham is a molester too. Both of them should at very least be in serious counseling and have supervision when around children.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Touching his Sisters vaginas while they were sleeping is not molesting? WTF?

And Lena Dunham is a molester too. Both of them should at very least be in serious counseling and have supervision when around children.
Its called doing the lords work
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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He didn't "molest" anybody.

What do you have to say about Lena Dunham?
Lena Dunham was 7 years old. That is, you know, actually a child. She seemed to be raised in a home with no boundaries. What she did was wrong, but she was 7 years old and by anyone measure was curiosity rather than predatory.

Josh Duggar, on the other hand, was 14 - 16 years old touching the breasts and vaginas of his 4 - 11 year old little sisters and another victim in their sleep. He was told it was wrong - he continued it anyway.

It's amazing that the same people who railed against what Lena Dunham did when she was ACTUALLY A CHILD are coming up with excuses for a teenager. And, furthermore, excusing parents who never, ever reported that their teenage son was a serial molester.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Didn't you ever hear about the Hit man for the mob that went to confession every time after he killed someone.
That's what their faith is all about: redemption/absolution for past sins...

So sin on brother
You're misrepresenting the faith. That is not what it is "all about." But some evil people may fool themselves into believing they are "forgiven" when they are not believers at all. Just as living in a garage doesn't make one a car, regular church attendance and going to "confession" (a Catholic 'thing'), doesn't make one a Christian. Not all who call themselves Christians are. They fool themselves.

Paul addressed that very issue you mentioned in one of his letters (Romans 6:1-4), where he talks about Grace, and asks, "Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefor buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we, too may live a new life."

And that is what Christianity is about. New life. It doesn't make us perfect. But we are aware of sin, and our lives are changed, so that sin is not a 'habit' of our lives, though we are not immune from sin.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:16 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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And, they love it when they can destroy lives of conservatives, especially if they are Christian.
Without question. Liberals are the most very vile smear merchants.

(And coincidentally the most apologetic for the "troubled yoofs" they yack on about all the time.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:18 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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It's interesting to note that they waited until the statute of limitations ran out before the family went public with this story.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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I won't address the Catholic Church, which I have plenty of problems with, but this isn't a fair point in this example.

If your kid admitted to something like this to you, would you immediately report it to the police? They touched a girl inappropriately (which is wrong), and the first thing you'd do is turn them in, knowing what happens to sex offenders to today's world (life time registry status, so they'll never find a decent job, be alienated from their community, and have a generally miserable life, not to mention the fact that prisoners aren't to kind to child sex offenders)? I'm not really convinced I would, and if that makes me a bad person, so be it.

But don't turn this into what you're trying to do. The Duggard family wasn't ok with what he had done and they did do something about it, even if it's not what you think they should have done. Don't compare this example of a family trying to avoid having their first born son thrown in prison and on a public shaming list for ever to a culture that actually circumcises women so they won't enjoy sex and won't be promiscuous. They aren't even comparable. Hell, this cases isn't even comparable to the Vatican covering up it's sex abuses, which is a way worse dilemma.

Though, there is a lesson in both. Priests are celebrate and presumably, young Duggard wasn't allow to have much intimate relations with girls given his family's crazy religious views... maybe sexual repression makes people do crazy ****?

Fundamentalism is a poison, however, Islamic fundamentalism (in it's current state) is worse in literally everyday than Christian fundamentalism.
Why are you pretending Christian fundamentalism isn't just as bad? They're the exact same thing. Only reason we don't have the Christian Taliban pushing their law is because normal people now outnumber the fundies in America fortunately. Our society wasn't much less puritan than Saudi Arabia 70 years ago.

You do however have a point that creeps like that who try to stop their sexual feelings are more frequent to end up molesting since in their minds they have no other outlet since they can't go out and publicly date a woman and sleep with her without being shamed.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Austin
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And a young boy still going through puberty was fooling around and
felt up his sister, I mean it's wrong but is it MOLESTATION ?
I won't speak to the Duggar allegation, but can answer your question.

Sexually touching a child is molestation.

And, a teenager who touches a young sibling in a sexual way is sick, in my opinion. I would never trust the teenage molester alone with my children, even after s/he became an adult.
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