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Stats shmats you guys are missing the point of the OP. Arrests are way down which is what the residents of Baltganistan have demanded, so all is great news. Never mind that they're having a neighborhood shoot out and record murders. The good news is arrests are way down as the Mayor demanded...good job guys.
Simple cause and effect. You want the cause, I assume you want the effect.
Again...you're comparing large very high population cities....tooo..small ones.
You could just as easily say
"Look! High population, high density cities have more murders!"
Instead...you somehow try and turn murder and rape into a liberal vs conservative topic. Its nonsense.
Well, it is a liberal vs. conservative topic.
Do you know why?
Because these large democratically controlled cities have for years used "guns" and blaming the rural states and the NRA for their own internal problems.
Meanwhile, lots of other places around the US have gun violence rates no worse that Canada.
When you blame the other party for a situation that you actually control...that's making it political.
For 40 years they've blamed guns. It's not the guns. It's how the cities police, how they treat their poor, how they give opportunity....or not.
Because these large democratically controlled cities have for years used "guns" and blaming the rural states and the NRA for their own internal problems.
Meanwhile, lots of other places around the US have gun violence rates no worse that Canada.
When you blame the other party for a situation that you actually control...that's making it political.
For 40 years they've blamed guns. It's not the guns. It's how the cities police, how they treat their poor, how they give opportunity....or not.
No it isn't. It's the attitude of the residents. The police could have gone around handing out lollipops and money for 40 years and these people would still be the same.
No it isn't. It's the attitude of the residents. The police could have gone around handing out lollipops and money for 40 years and these people would still be the same.
Well the tax payer did pay for welfare checks and nothing has changed there either, just more hate toward others who have more.
No it isn't. It's the attitude of the residents. The police could have gone around handing out lollipops and money for 40 years and these people would still be the same.
Many cities around the US have taken stances where you hammer the gangs and hard core criminals hard and provide after school diversion programs....have school diversion officers come talk to parents when gangs are trying to recruit their kids and so on and so forth.
Aurora, Il is one such example.
However, it costs money.
When you already win 80% of the vote you don't have to worry about elections, just getting the party nomination. That doesn't require helping poor people. It requires making sure the right people get city contracts, get city jobs and other payoffs.
It requires a will to actually help those that want it and to incarcerate the jerks trying to drag everyone else down....even when there is nothing in it for the politician.
Well the tax payer did pay for welfare checks and nothing has changed there either, just more hate toward others who have more.
Your views of these areas as being homogenous pools of losers beyond help is saddening and frankly pretty obtuse.
Any serious conservative should know that you either put a little money in early and get the kids on the right track...or you pay for it in incarceration and crime costs later on. For those that are determined to live the "thug life" you use rigorous policing so they don't contaminate or kill the others.
"Look! High population, high density cities have more murders!"
Or you could say that high density cities" all vote Democrat. I won't say Liberal because most of them don't believe in liberal causes and don't even knew what they are.
"Instead...you somehow try and turn murder and rape into a liberal vs conservative topic. Its nonsense"
When you take a city like Baltimore or Detroit with 90% of the population voting Democrat politicians in year after year saying they can fix problems that only get worse its just a Democrat problem. They have been throwing money at that city for 50 years and it just gets worse. Conservative politicians would probably be only slightly better, but only if they didn't think they could throw money at it.
That is the problem with using statistics to win an argument, the conclusions you can draw can be misleading.
I think we can all agree that there are more crimes committed in big cities, and if big cities have populations which tend to vote for liberal politicians, then liberal cities will have higher crime rates.
It's the same with race. If a disproportionate number of the black American population lives in big cities, and the big cities have the higher crime rates, then it follows that disproportionate number of the black Americans will be involved in crimes.
The meme is that liberals are soft on crime, or their policies are more focused on political correctness and not on protecting the people from criminals, hence the reason for more crime in their cities. This might be difficult to show thru the use of statistics, especially when liberals have been running the same crime-ridden cities for decades.
Your views of these areas as being homogenous pools of losers beyond help is saddening and frankly pretty obtuse.
Any serious conservative should know that you either put a little money in early and get the kids on the right track...or you pay for it in incarceration and crime costs later on. For those that are determined to live the "thug life" you use rigorous policing so they don't contaminate or kill the others.
A little money? Ba ha ha, the liberal media and democrats must be screaming for "just a little more money" again. Hey, I could use a "little more money" too. Care to throw some my way? Oh, I'm the one you libby's keep wanting to rob of just a "little more money" from.
A little money? Ba ha ha, the liberal media and democrats must be screaming for "just a little more money" again. Hey, I could use a "little more money" too. Care to throw some my way? Oh, I'm the one you libby's keep wanting to rob of just a "little more money" from.
If you actually paid attention instead of ranting about "libbys" I'm talking about the city spending money and not federal grants nor did I call for additional taxation. It's about the cities making it a priority.
When you already win 80% of the vote you don't have to worry about elections, just getting the party nomination. That doesn't require helping poor people. It requires making sure the right people get city contracts, get city jobs and other payoffs.
It requires a will to actually help those that want it and to incarcerate the jerks trying to drag everyone else down....even when there is nothing in it for the politician.
As I said, I'm tired of hearing "it cost money" and ignoring the need to "change the attitudes". But that would require the people to participate, to change. They love the culture so damn much, then let them live with the consequences. They won't hear anyone anyway, in their minds it's always everyone else's fault and that gets handed down through generations. They think they know it all but there they are as proof that throwing money at it won't work. You can bang your head against the wall only so much before you decide to walk away.
What you advocate is more of the same thing that didn't work in the first place and us tax payers are tired of being robbed to pay for it. We're tired of seeing out kids future financed to pay for it. It's time that "they" pry their minds open to a different way of life.
And who ever taught people that violence and destruction earns them respect or solves the problem? wow! Or is that what their culture teaches them?
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