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What are you going to do with them though? Everybody is better off if they learn to their potential, even if it isn't excellence.
Ironic that this is in Minnesota, home of Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average.
What to do with them? If they hamper the education of others the very first thing I would do is remove them from the school. Then it's the parent's responsibility as far I'm concerned. That would create a market for tough, military style schools that are zero tolerance for bad behavior...at the parents expense.
What to do with them? If they hamper the education of others the very first thing I would do is remove them from the school. Then it's the parent's responsibility as far I'm concerned. That would create a market for tough, military style schools that are zero tolerance for bad behavior...at the parents expense.
Except for one thing. Alot of the parents who have children behaving badly in school, well, the parents are the big issue. The parents who are the most likely to demand military schools are the parents who are invested in their children's education, who are invested in making sure their children excel. With the troublemakers who would normally be expelled, a large number of those children have parents who aren't doing their job as parents properly.
Something else I've mentioned. Many parents treat school like a babysitting service. Many just don't want to be bothered with their kids.
Except for one thing. Alot of the parents who have children behaving badly in school, well, the parents are the big issue. The parents who are the most likely to demand military schools are the parents who are invested in their children's education, who are invested in making sure their children excel. With the troublemakers who would normally be expelled, a large number of those children have parents who aren't doing their job as parents properly.
Something else I've mentioned. Many parents treat school like a babysitting service. Many just don't want to be bothered with their kids.
Well, not really my problem or the problem of the good parents who care about education.
The bad kids from the bad parents? Shouldn't be mixing with the good kids. Ever heard of addition by subtraction?
Well, not really my problem or the problem of the good parents who care about education.
The bad kids from the bad parents? Shouldn't be mixing with the good kids. Ever heard of addition by subtraction?
Look, I don't think kids who are constantly causing problems in school should be there. I'm also saying there are other things you should weigh. Those kids get expelled Okay. The thing is, this is something to consider.
1) The parents aren't doing their job.
2) Said students often don't have any skills or work ethic.
3) We're in a society where more and more jobs are being taken by machines, and fewer people are needed.
3) Said expelled persons, with no supervision, no skills(some barely literate), no work ethic, and many would be considered a burden in the workforce. Alot of those persons turn to crime.
Expelled from school? Okay. I'm saying there needs to be another plan. What does one do with young people with no skills, no work ethic, no parental guidance(or very bad parental guidance), and an "angry at the world" mentality?
I know of some students who got suspended from school, and they just made mischief outside of school. I'm saying it could be a problem because said persons would likely be out committing crimes.
How about this. Should ANY student behave like that?
Just the title of that video alone tells me the agenda.
I could not find any videos of a White student beating up a Black teacher. All of the violent interracial student on teacher beating videos on Youtube are Black students fists connecting to White teachers faces.
If a White student pounding a Black teacher's face did happen, you can bet it would get round the clock national news coverage as well as Black Twitter blowing up with hashtags "Black Teachers Lives Matter". Depending on the gender of the Black teacher beat up by the White student if it was a male for example, Barack Obama would hold a White House press conference saying that if he was teacher he would look like the poor defenseless Black man beat up by the thuggish White student in the classroom.
Black thuggish students beating up White teachers however get little to no news coverage. Best case scenario is it might get a quick 60 seconds worth of coverage on the local news 1 time, only to never be heard from again. It definitely would not reach national media.
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What to do with them? If they hamper the education of others the very first thing I would do is remove them from the school. Then it's the parent's responsibility as far I'm concerned. That would create a market for tough, military style schools that are zero tolerance for bad behavior...at the parents expense.
OK. But the parents can't pay for it so we're back to public schooling paid for by tax money. I like the idea of a military academy type environment though. But that would require a complete reversal of policy from the idiocy we see in places like St. Paul. And it won't happen on a large scale until the radical egalitarian thinking behind it is thoroughly discredited.
I could not find any videos of a White student beating up a Black teacher. All of the violent interracial student on teacher beating videos on Youtube are Black students fists connecting to White teachers faces.
If a White student pounding a Black teacher's face did happen, you can bet it would get round the clock national news coverage as well as Black Twitter blowing up with hashtags "Black Teachers Lives Matter". Depending on the gender of the Black teacher beat up by the White student if it was a male for example, Barack Obama would hold a White House press conference saying that if he was teacher he would look like the poor defenseless Black man beat up by the thuggish White student in the classroom.
Black thuggish students beating up White teachers however get little to no news coverage. Best case scenario is it might get a quick 60 seconds worth of coverage on the local news 1 time, only to never be heard from again. It definitely would not reach national media.
This point is so clear and so easily made it almost seems too obvious to bother with. But what else can you do in discussions like this but keep pounding it home? Maybe someday it will sink in with enough people to make a difference.
When the bell rings, the majority trickle into classrooms. But 50 or so roamers remain. They come to school for breakfast and lunch and to wander the halls with their friends. He commands them to get to class, but his authority is empty.
Becky McQueen, who comes across as a five-foot-three mother hen, heads Harding's college prep program for middle and low-income kids. She says the percentage of kids causing problems at Harding is very small, and they're not all special ed. Last spring, when she stepped into a fight between two basketball players, one grabbed her shoulder and head, throwing her aside. The kid was only sent home for a couple of days.
In March, when a student barged into her class, McQueen happened to be standing in the doorway and got crushed into a shelf. The following week, two boys came storming in, hit a girl in the head, then skipped back out. One of them had already been written up more than 30 times.
Yet another student who repeatedly drops into her class has hit kids and cursed at an aide, once telling McQueen he would "fry" her ass. She tried to make a joke of it — "Ooh, I could use a little weight loss." Her students interjected: "No, that means he's gonna kill you."
Now, to know who to let in, she tells her students to use a secret knock at the door.
I still fail to see what good comes from encouraging people to act out by minimizing their punishment, black, white or anything else, if you're acting out and you're a disruption, catering to your poor behavior will only make it worse, not better. Trying to excuse it on the basis of race is idiotic.
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Kristy Pierce, a "cultural specialist" at Battle Creek Middle School, says training teachers to believe in kids will solve the discipline problems. "For many people in education now, it's about the punitive justice, consequences," Pierce says. If students cuss them out, teachers should evaluate their own failures to earn a child's respect and trust. "It should be more than just kids apologizing. When you use the word 'black' versus 'African American' and the student flips out, understand where that might be coming from."
Pierce pitches a theory known as "restorative justice," the idea that mediation to repair harm is superior to punishment. Yet she believes most teachers don't understand it — or won't take the time to practice it, even if it takes but a few minutes.
"If students cuss them out, teachers should evaluate their own failures to earn a child's respect and trust."
The above sentence clearly sums it all up. If I had cussed out a teacher in school, not only would I have gotten kicked out of the classroom and have been suspended for a few days, I would have greatly invoked the wrath of my parents which would have been the worst punishment of all. Nowadays they try to justify bad behavior by blaming it on the teacher....smh.
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