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This is just silly. Because clearly the alternative to having democrats in charge is black people being slaves again.
I am going to guess there are less black millionaires per capita than whites, Asians, etc. and the blacks that are millionaires-I don't think it's because of democrat leadership, maybe it's bc of their personal ambition - which neither democrat or republican leadership will provide.
Huh? To your first paragraph. Slavery? No relation to anything in my post. You are already off to a bad start.
The first sentence in the second paragraph again has no relation to anything in my post or the thread topic.
The reverend is specifically speaking about black Americans and how they are doing so badly since they voted for Democrats. This means comparing the number of black millionaires now to the number 50 years ago is appropriate. Bringing in other groups for comparison is irrelevant.
Your second sentence in the second paragraph is illogical or blind to the thread topic.
The reverends contention is that black people are doing badly because they vote for democrats for the last 50years. So comparing the number of black millionaires now with those 50 years ago, isn't saying a political party is responsible, it says the reverends main point is non sense.
Oh I believe it for the 1st day groups, of which you were/are a part. Not for the others though, generally speaking. Doctrine itself wouldn't allow for much of that.
Your question was answered the first time. Quit trolling!
I think the preacher should stick to teaching black folks to keep begging God for stuff and forget about begging Democrats and Republicans for stuff. When there are failures in the black community Black preachers are the first ones to start the blame game. Its the ;police, media, Rap music, schools, Democrats, or Republicans fault. When do we ask our self why does the oldest institution in the black community always gets a pass. IMO all the religion black people need is MLK's letter from the Birmingham Jail.
So you think the definition of progress is comparing a group to how they were fifty years ago? I would say it is pretty important to compare that progress to the progress other groups have made - but to each their own.
So, since things seem fine and dandy in your community, continue with the status quo - according to you, it has worked quite well. Congrats on the tremendous progress.
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Huh? To your first paragraph. Slavery? No relation to anything in my post. You are already off to a bad start.
The first sentence in the second paragraph again has no relation to anything in my post or the thread topic.
The reverend is specifically speaking about black Americans and how they are doing so badly since they voted for Democrats. This means comparing the number of black millionaires now to the number 50 years ago is appropriate. Bringing in other groups for comparison is irrelevant.
Your second sentence in the second paragraph is illogical or blind to the thread topic.
The reverends contention is that black people are doing badly because they vote for democrats for the last 50years. So comparing the number of black millionaires now with those 50 years ago, isn't saying a political party is responsible, it says the reverends main point is non sense.
The real problem is thinking you need to rely on a political party to "save" you.
The Deep pocket Corporations and Banks, Bankrolling politicians seem to think otherwise.
They think the Government is the solution to our problems and the amount of money tossed their way continues to increase.
So you think the definition of progress is comparing a group to how they were fifty years ago? I would say it is pretty important to compare that progress to the progress other groups have made - but to each their own.
So, since things seem fine and dandy in your community, continue with the status quo - according to you, it has worked quite well. Congrats on the tremendous progress.
Unless one truly thinks racial groups were on the same playing field in the past, one must control for the economic, social, and political disparities. If not, it would be akin to an analyst comparing companies of different industries based on fundamentals alone. So yes, Blacks' historical trends most likely paint a more accurate picture of progress than faulty cross sectional analysis.
That comment is a typical uneducated and inaccurate atheistic, possibly agnostic opinion, not supported by facts. You think Coptic Christians or Ethiopian Christians portray their Christ Savior as white? Hint: They were on the scene. They very well might be right. Nonetheless, Jesus Christ, is most often considered semitic. Not to mention that Black Christian art is replete with images of Jesus as....... Yep, black. Korean Christians are known to portray Jesus as other than white. All are far from a white Jesus, old boy, ( reference to an white English Jesus Christ).
The rest of your gas is an entirely different thread. So, let's both stay on topic, which is whether or not a blind vote allegiance by the vast majority of black, is good for their advancement as a whole. History says unblinking obedience to the Democratic bosses is not good for black Americans as a whole. Emphasis on as a whole. Not some outlier, as you claim to be.
Old boy? Really?
Coptic Christians? Ethiopians?
Look, African Americans are descended from West Africans. West Africans brought here as slaves had never even heard of Christianity and it's probably true that they'd never heard of Ethiopians either. They were almost all religious animists and a small minority were Muslims. African Americans are Christians because their slave masters were Christians...pure and simple. And the Jesus they were taught to worship was a WHITE Jesus.
All of this Coptic Christian and Ethiopian stuff is all after the fact. It's meaningless. Claiming that Jesus was black or a man of some color is nothing but Johnny Come Lately nonsense thrown out there to keep darker members of the Christian flock feeling as if their ancestors have some connected history to the church. No one with an ounce of sense is buying that foolishness. Nowadays, you've even got black folks perpetuating this stuff. I ain't got time for it.....save it.
Bottom line...if a black pastor wants to talk about institutions failing the black community, he should talk about the one he belongs to and is much closer to home than any Democratic Party politician. The one that black folks can SEE failing right up close and personal. The one located right in their towns and cities. The one that fleeces them of their wealth and initiative.
As for your assertion about black voting patterns, really, you're only complaining because that vote doesn't go the other way. If blacks voted 90% for the Republicans, you and everyone else wouldn't have a word to say.
Blacks vote for the Democratic Party because they see it as in their interest to do so. When they're offered a better alternative, they'll choose it. Right now there isn't one, so they ain't choosing it.
That's all you (and others) need to know. Worry about your vote. How the next man votes is none of your concern.
I think the preacher should stick to teaching black folks to keep begging God for stuff and forget about begging Democrats and Republicans for stuff. When there are failures in the black community Black preachers are the first ones to start the blame game. Its the ;police, media, Rap music, schools, Democrats, or Republicans fault. When do we ask our self why does the oldest institution in the black community always gets a pass. IMO all the religion black people need is MLK's letter from the Birmingham Jail.
The black church gets a pass for a million reasons.
Mainly though, it gets a pass because one...Black folks keep seeking out religion to solve their problems and give them simple answers to very complicated issues. We as black folks were sold pie in the sky during slavery, credited it for our freedom (tragically), and used it as something to coalesce around during the tough days of institutionalized racism and Jim Crow. And when those things ended about a century after slavery, we once again gave Christianity the credit since it was the only real institution that we had to rally around.
Secondly, it gets another pass...this one from whites because they see Christianity as a mitigating influence on black anger and dissatisfaction. Blacks might get mad from time to time, "but at least they believe in Jesus." Lord forbid that they turn away from Jesus Christ and embrace something far more radical. Then you could really have trouble.
Of course, there are exceptions. A few. Like Reverend Wright for example. You're not allowed to love Jesus and show too much anger. You might scare the white folks. Just be cool, and keep fleecing the black folks for their money and stick to the pie in the sky theories.
Of course, this pastor knows better...but he'd rather talk about the Democrats. Nevermind that millions of successful African Americans are Democrats all day long. He won't throw shade on his own institution's failures and larceny.
The black church gets a pass for a million reasons.
Mainly though, it gets a pass because one...Black folks keep seeking out religion to solve their problems and give them simple answers to very complicated issues. We as black folks were sold pie in the sky during slavery, credited it for our freedom (tragically), and used it as something to coalesce around during the tough days of institutionalized racism and Jim Crow. And when those things ended about a century after slavery, we once again gave Christianity the credit since it was the only real institution that we had to rally around.
Secondly, it gets another pass...this one from whites because they see Christianity as a mitigating influence on black anger and dissatisfaction. Blacks might get mad from time to time, "but at least they believe in Jesus." Lord forbid that they turn away from Jesus Christ and embrace something far more radical. Then you could really have trouble.
Of course, there are exceptions. A few. Like Reverend Wright for example. You're not allowed to love Jesus and show too much anger. You might scare the white folks. Just be cool, and keep fleecing the black folks for their money and stick to the pie in the sky theories.
Of course, this pastor knows better...but he'd rather talk about the Democrats. Nevermind that millions of successful African Americans are Democrats all day long. He won't throw shade on his own institution's failures and larceny.
My older brother and I were stargazing not long ago about the Church Folk in our family. We surmised that with tithing (which they are proud of the fact they do) they are giving almost $100,000 dollars per year to a hand full of churches. We wondered what if that money had been skillfully invested in some kind of financial tool over the last 30 years how our family could have benefited.
Low interest or no interest loans and grants for private schools, down payments on homes outside of the hood, or training programs, the possibilities are endless. The preachers implore them to ask God and politicians for those things. They trade all their riches for fine clothes, useless pomp and pageantry one day a week.
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reference to an white English Jesus Christ). 
