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ACA alone is responsible for adding $1.5 Trillion to the debt over the next decade, (mind you that would be just $1.5b annually) and you cant compare average increases during a recession and claim its the norml.. {OK fine. Then why is Obama's spending during the recession compared to Bush's non recession spending?}
its a ridiculously stupid argument.
You may also find it interesting that Obama's post recession spending is much less than Bush's pre rescession spending. Pick a year in the Bush presidency, and look up the deficit for that year. Then google the cost of the budget supplemental that year. Add the 2 together and you will find his spending was much worse than what Obama's 'all-in' budget of today.
ACA alone is responsible for adding $1.5 Trillion to the debt over the next decade, (mind you that would be just $1.5b annually)
You are ridiculously off by only $1.5 TRILLION dollars..
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Originally Posted by bigman123
and you cant compare average increases during a recession and claim its the norml.. {OK fine. Then why is Obama's spending during the recession compared to Bush's non recession spending?}
Because Obama cheerleaders continue to create threads about it using information no where close to reality. The only person who wanted to compare Obama and Bush spending is YOU.. In your non stop babble about Obama not to blame, even though OBAMA SIGNED THE SPENDING BILLS INTO LAW..
Im a Democrat, and there are a few topics I never get clear answers about, when i interact with Conservatives. I have been banned from certain FB groups and things of that nature whenever I mention these things. Hopefully, here I can get some real dialogue on these topics.
1. Conservatives are against tax dollars going to planned parenthood, because PP facilitates abortions. But Conservatives are willing to give Israel money and the lives of our soldiers, even though all abortions in Israel are state sponsored. In fact, all Israeli citizens are required to do time in the Army. If a female Israeli soldier becomes pregnant while serving, she has 2 choices. Be ejected from the Army and lose all benefits, or have a state sponsored abortion.
2. Obamacare. According to Conservatives, Obamacare is a train wreck. Conservatives tell us free market based ideas would work better. Fine. Section 1332 of the ACA (Waivers for State Innovation) allows states to fully opt out of Obamacare, simply by coming up with their own plans that would insure the same, or more, amount of people as the ACA. There are about 25 Red states with GOP Super majorities. Why aren't we seeing these better, free market based, ideas being put into legislation in these states. Why are Republicans fighting to repeal a law that gives them the ability to implement their own plans. With the ACA being such a train wreck, one would think it would be very easy to come up with legislation that yields better results.
3.Socialism & Fiscal Policy. Obama has halfed the deficit he inherited. Bush did a lot of spending off the books so his deficits dont tell the whole story, as he used budget supplementals to fund many things. But if you take Bush's deficits + deficit spending he did via budget supplementals, Obama's deficits are lower than Bushs. The national debt tripled under Reagan. Deficits increased under Reagan. Reagan expanded the EIC in the tax code, and is considered by many as the biggest transfer of wealth seen in this country. Reagan-Phone is the Grand daddy of the Obama-Phone. Reagan signed EMTALA, which mandates private businesses (hospitals) give goods and services (treatment) to people regardless of their ability to pay. So how is it Obama is the spender/socialist? While Reagan is the fiscal god, and Bush just "did little more spending than he should have".
OP, I still see that you are not getting your questions answered. Hence, the above dodge.
This is why I have no respect for Democrats. When someone creates a thread with such ridiculously dumb "theories" and statements, and then backs them up by claiming ACA for example, will only cost $1.5B per year,
Democrats come along and attack Republicans, rather than "correcting" the stupid errors which existed..
How do you support the statement of Obama spends like Bush, when in fact, Obama has halfed Bush's defict? How do you make this logic work. Teach me please. Many people feel the same as you, so you're not alone. But can you please help me understand how someone can say Obama spends like Bush.
He's spent much more than Bush.
Under Bush, the national debt increased from $5 trillion to $9 trillion.
Under Obama, it has increased from $9 trillion to $18 trillion.
Obama has spent more than twice as much as Bush.
And Obama has another year and a half to continue his wasteful spending.
You are ridiculously off by only $1.5 TRILLION dollars.. lol you're right. My mistake. I meant 150b my error. But my point stays the same
Because Obama cheerleaders continue to create threads about it using information no where close to reality. The only person who wanted to compare Obama and Bush spending is YOU.. In your non stop babble about Obama not to blame, even though OBAMA SIGNED THE SPENDING BILLS INTO LAW.. ( before we continue, are we or are we not counting Obama spending during the recession.)
WHat have I said Obama was not to blame for. In fact Im saying he is to blame. Yes I blame Obama for doubling the debt. But I recognize the fact that it was on pace to be MUCH more and his low increase in spending kept the debt from reaching the higher amounts it was on pace to reach.
I blame Obama for his Trillion dollar deficits early. Im glad he ended the practice of spending off the books.
I blame Obama for the $450b deficit that we currently have. But Im happy its not 3.1t that it was projected to be.
OP, I still see that you are not getting your questions answered. Hence, the above dodge.
8 pages of dodges...lol...
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