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Old 06-08-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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this article hits it on the head and counters everything the liberals are doing to this country.
Good read!

Taking America from Welfare State to Opportunity Society


some bullets it hits on..
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America’s Opportunity is our plan to:
  • End Obamacare and, instead, provide real health care solutions. Obamacare represents a huge step in the wrong direction. Instead, policymakers should restructure the tax treatment of health insurance to encourage competition and drive down costs.
  • Preserve Social Security as real insurance. President Obama spoke yesterday of a plan to balance the budget through “a balanced mix of spending cuts and more tax reform.” But the real key to reducing future deficits is to reform Social Security so it becomes a true insurance program, guaranteeing that no senior citizen need fall into poverty, but not providing automatic benefits to wealthier retirees.
  • Make welfare work for the poor. The federal government spends nearly a trillion dollars each year on welfare. Yet the system isn’t working. True welfare reform should include strong work requirements, should promote marriage, and should use loans—not grants—to help needy Americans.
  • Improve education by expanding options. Washington should issue fewer mandates and encourage more experimentation by states and local school districts. Also, policymakers should allow federal funding to follow a student to the school of the family’s choice.
  • Strengthen immigration through common-sense reform. By attempting to pass “comprehensive” reform, Congress is setting itself up to fail. Instead, lawmakers should reform our legal immigration system and make it easier to work legally and temporarily in the U.S. They should also encourage high-skill immigration. And to be fair, the Administration should commit to enforcing existing immigration laws.
  • Revitalize marriage, family and civil society. These institutions are the building blocks of a healthy society. Social science proves that the intact married-parent family—husband, wife, and children living together—is the best setting for the optimal development of the child and provides the best insurance for the future welfare of the nation.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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End Obamacare and, instead, provide real health care solutions. Obamacare represents a huge step in the wrong direction. Instead, policymakers should restructure the tax treatment of health insurance to encourage competition and drive down costs.
Yes because thats worked so well before. Apparently the past experiences with this, massive profit margins, peole losing insurance when they most needed it, etc.....was working so well.

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Preserve Social Security as real insurance. President Obama spoke yesterday of a plan to balance the budget through “a balanced mix of spending cuts and more tax reform.” But the real key to reducing future deficits is to reform Social Security so it becomes a true insurance program, guaranteeing that no senior citizen need fall into poverty, but not providing automatic benefits to wealthier retirees.
So fundamentally change the agreement, and add in a ton of paperwork and bureaucracy to it? How about instead we just remove the earnings cap?

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Make welfare work for the poor. The federal government spends nearly a trillion dollars each year on welfare. Yet the system isn’t working. True welfare reform should include strong work requirements, should promote marriage, and should use loans—not grants—to help needy Americans.
Wow...so much nonsense I am not sure where to start. Welfare is time limited to 5 years, a lifetime limit. A LOT of the money is spent on helping people find work.

No we do not spend a trillion a year on welfare
TANF: 21 billion
Food stamps: 75 billion
Section 8: 18 billion

Know where that 1 trillion figure comes from? B adding in things like the EITC, Medicaid (228 billion-twice as much as whats actually welfare), job training, head start, and more. When you start throwing around deceptive numbers like 1 trillion on "welfare" you arent having a honest discussion anymore, you're just lying.

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Improve education by expanding options. Washington should issue fewer mandates and encourage more experimentation by states and local school districts. Also, policymakers should allow federal funding to follow a student to the school of the family’s choice.
Mixed opinions on this. Theres some of this going on as experiments, and until we see better results, I don't believe the risk vs reward is there at a larger level. Too many of these fail, while others have successful numbers based upon practices that only work for the students they take, BUT some have good valid numbers.

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Strengthen immigration through common-sense reform. By attempting to pass “comprehensive” reform, Congress is setting itself up to fail. Instead, lawmakers should reform our legal immigration system and make it easier to work legally and temporarily in the U.S. They should also encourage high-skill immigration. And to be fair, the Administration should commit to enforcing existing immigration laws.
Disagree. Enforce our immigration laws so our low income people have jobs, and STOP importing H1-B's to keep our highly skilled people from being paid well. Why don't US citizens enter STEM? Because we keep importing them. Enforce mandatory everify, and imprison those who knowingly employ illegals.

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Revitalize marriage, family and civil society. These institutions are the building blocks of a healthy society. Social science proves that the intact married-parent family—husband, wife, and children living together—is the best setting for the optimal development of the child and provides the best insurance for the future welfare of the nation..
We've seen suggestions on how to do this. Most involve religeon. Uh,,, No.

And when things like parental bonding leave come up the right goes nuts about shouting down an idea that would clearly benefit families and civil society.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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yeah well we have done it the liberal way for over 40 years and what do we have to show for it?


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Yes because thats worked so well before. Apparently the past experiences with this, massive profit margins, peole losing insurance when they most needed it, etc.....was working so well.


So fundamentally change the agreement, and add in a ton of paperwork and bureaucracy to it? How about instead we just remove the earnings cap?


Wow...so much nonsense I am not sure where to start. Welfare is time limited to 5 years, a lifetime limit. A LOT of the money is spent on helping people find work.

No we do not spend a trillion a year on welfare
TANF: 21 billion
Food stamps: 75 billion
Section 8: 18 billion

Know where that 1 trillion figure comes from? B adding in things like the EITC, Medicaid (228 billion-twice as much as whats actually welfare), job training, head start, and more. When you start throwing around deceptive numbers like 1 trillion on "welfare" you arent having a honest discussion anymore, you're just lying.


Mixed opinions on this. Theres some of this going on as experiments, and until we see better results, I don't believe the risk vs reward is there at a larger level. Too many of these fail, while others have successful numbers based upon practices that only work for the students they take, BUT some have good valid numbers.


Disagree. Enforce our immigration laws so our low income people have jobs, and STOP importing H1-B's to keep our highly skilled people from being paid well. Why don't US citizens enter STEM? Because we keep importing them. Enforce mandatory everify, and imprison those who knowingly employ illegals.


We've seen suggestions on how to do this. Most involve religeon. Uh,,, No.

And when things like parental bonding leave come up the right goes nuts about shouting down an idea that would clearly benefit families and civil society.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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Are you going to force people to get married and how do you expect to acheive that? Millenials are delaying marriage.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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the article NEVER SAID anything about forcing marriage!
It is suggesting encouraging marriage.


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Are you going to force people to get married and how do you expect to acheive that? Millenials are delaying marriage.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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the article NEVER SAID anything about forcing marriage!
It is suggesting encouraging marriage.
How do you "encourage" marriage without spending money and using government pressure?
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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yeah well we have done it the liberal way for over 40 years and what do we have to show for it?
OMG you mean...never once has the conservative ran the house, senate, of presidency in 40 years

Please. We haven't done it the "liberal way"-even for the incredibly brief period where they had enough votes. The liberal way would have involved things like universal healthcare.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The Soviet Union did things the liberal way.
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Yes because thats worked so well before. Apparently the past experiences with this, massive profit margins, peole losing insurance when they most needed it, etc.....was working so well.
85% of the population was happy with their health care so obviously it was working pretty well for most people. Deny it as you will. More people are unhappier with Obamacare than the previous arrangement. The whole thing was just a scam and it hasn't come close to fixing the problems it was supposedly designed to address.
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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There is nothing to resolve the issue when manufacturing is being exported. Any nation's middle class depends on production.

Only a production economy can support a middle class, and we clearly see this happening in the countries to which American production is being exported--they're growing their middle class while the American middle class is shrinking.
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