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Gays do not want to settle for a civil union. They don't want to accept the word of God that Homosexuality is wrong,but they want to change what GOD says is the definition of marriage. This is dangerous territory for America if the majority supports gay marriage.
Given you have failed to, even attempt to let alone achieve, show there is a god at all, let alone that the opinion you vicariously assign to it about homosexuality is actually it's opinion.... it would seem your diatribe above is little more than irrelevant red herring.
If your imaginary friend wishes to vote however, then by all means have he or she apply for citizenship and go through the necessary procedures to gain access to the ballot boxes.
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Nothing wrong with being a bigot when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. And before someone defends it by saying that animals do it.
I see nothing to defend. I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" myself. And given you have failed to even make an attempt to establish anything morally or otherwise wrong with homosexuality, there is no reason to mount a defense at all.
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Deny him all you want but he's your God too, and you'll soon find out it's true.
Citations required. Substantiation fail.
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Wow. You are going to be in for a very unpleasant surprise if you make it to the Other Side.
Deny him all you want but he's your God too, and you'll soon find out it's true.
Well, he's had time enough to make his views known. Sadly, there have been no burning bushes and booming voices from the heavens, lately. All we're left with are self-appointed spokespersons, and they're not exactly behaving like one would expect the representatives of a Supreme Being.
Deny him all you want but he's your God too, and you'll soon find out it's true.
Leave me out of your fantasies. Your beliefs are not everyone's beliefs.
It would be refreshing, for a change, if one of these SSM threads could continue WITHOUT having God, the bible, and sins constantly being thrown into the discussion. Its the internet forum version of a monkey in a cage at the zoo, flinging its own poop! An attention getting mechanism - nothing to see here folks.
Wow. You are going to be in for a very unpleasant surprise if you make it to the Other Side.
No, because there is no other side. I don't need a fairytale as a guideline for living life. And if I am wrong I would imagine that a being older than time has developed a sense of humor .
There is no unwritten right of the minority to invent rights as they see fit.
As for Loving, it violated the Fourteenth Amendment because it only outlawed mixed marriages in which one of the partners was white.
The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified by the states.
That means it was voted on.
You don`t get to invent your own bill of gay rights.
You don`t get to overrule the people because you didn`t get what you wanted.
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Yep, the interracial marriage bans were found to violate the 14th on the basis of the race of the people getting married.
SSM bans will be found to be violating the 14th on the basis of the sex of the people getting married.
States can not discriminate based on race or sex.
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The ERA failed to achieve ratification, even with an extension.
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The 14th didn't fail to achieve ratification. I believe it says something about ALL citizens, and equal protection of the laws.
You just don`t get there with that.
Same-sex marriage is simply a preference that is not permitted by the law in most states.
A state must have a law that prohibits you from doing what others in that state do for you to have a legitimate complaint.
Others may marry members of the opposite sex and you are also entitled to marry a member of the opposite sex so there is no issue with other being allowed to do something you are not.
Is there a reason we can't do, y'know, more than one thing at once?
That's cool. Some churches would call me a sinner for marrying a Jew (and some rabbis would call my wife the same). But they're not in a position to exercise authority over me, so why should I care?
If you have no Spiritually Faith then I contend you are correct and you just made yourself as a God.
Hell, the Protestants and the Catholics will call each other sinners all day long. Their problem, not mine.
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Everyone has Sinned in deed or thought in our daily lives. But you have raised a interested point.
Many so call Churches of God insert their own twist to the Bible and distort the Word of God.
Why is this important?
Because folks like yourself struggle everyday on what is a sin, to a point of "I don't Care", Because all many see is a bunch of idiots waiving a Book that no loner carry's value.
To be very honest I was one of those church goers and I would latterly sit in a room looking at hand waiving a hand. Everyone would be getting a message and all I want to do is nap.
But the god Lord has open my eyes I get it now. It took a verrrrry long time but I get it . Faith is a daily thing and having a relationship with Jesus and God. Walking the line trying to do what is Godly is a challenge to all.
But I get your point, and your frustration with the Church thing.
But that is why there is Mans Law and God Law. This will be the reason why most states will compromise with the Civil Union ideal and will not touch the gay Marriage with a 10 foot pole. After all Gay people are good people as well as Good Christians. Gay People are not evil or have devious thoughts 24 /7 but their life choices separate them from main stream. We live in a country that afford it citizens rights, How one uses those rights is up to the citizen.
In the end time all will be judged for what they did or did not do.
I think these polls is why gays where so shocked when vote ran against them in California. One reason we do not elect by polls. Often the question asked skews the results.
I doubt Prop 8 would pass if put to a vote today. The vote was pretty close even in 2008 and probably would have failed if not for the socially conservative Hispanic vote in Southern California.
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