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Old 06-14-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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Since herbal products are unregulated, there is a good chance that herbal products you buy do not even contain what is on the label and a significant chance they contain a prescription drug not mentioned on the label, especially weight loss products.

Contamination happened because someone mishandled the vaccine. The vaccine itself did not cause the problem.

Did you know one of the supplement salesman gurus was poisoned by his own supplement, because it contained 1000 times the amount of vitamin D it was supposed to have? It almost killed him.



There are risks to the small percentage of unvaccinated children for whom the vaccine does not work and for people who have been vaccinated but now have immune systems that are weakened by illness or treatment for conditions like cancer. Try as you might to deny it, those who do not vaccinate pose a risk to other people, not just themselves.



Your herbal products are far more likely to be contaminated than a vaccine. The vaccine, as it came from the manufacturer, was just fine. The infections happened because the person who gave the vaccine did something wrong. Bacteria were introduced into the vaccine at the time it was given. Herbs are plants grown in dirt. Any products made with them can contain bacteria, molds, and fungi.

Children's Probiotic Supplement Contaminated With Disease-Causing Fungus - Forbes



There are no aborted cells in vaccines. The cells used to grow the virus for the vaccine came from abortions done 35 years ago, but the original cells from the abortion no longer exist. Those abortions were not done just to provide cells to make vaccines.

If we did not have them, over a quarter of a million people would die each year in the US alone.



Thanks to his oncologist, my son is alive and well 26 years after he was diagnosed with leukemia. Now 90% of the kids with the type of leukemia he had are surviving.

As far as I am concerned, oncologists are underpaid for what they do.



Please provide us with some peer reviewed evidence that herbs do what you claim.

There is no mycoplasma in vaccines. The Mexican children do not have mycoplasma. Mycoplasma can cause pneumonia, but pneumonia is not a "form of mycoplasma." Many other organisms can cause pneumonia.

The vaccines in Mexico were contaminated with Staphylococcus hominis, which every single one of us has on his skin. No mycoplasma.

Mycoplasma does not typically kill in a space of hours. Staph infections can. Staph can produce toxins that rapidly cause shock and multiple organ failure.

Mexico: Staph infections linked to deaths of 2 children, vaccines exonerated | Outbreak News Today



Perfectly healthy people do get sick from viruses.

What "real herbs"? What evidence do you have to support your opinion? Published, peer reviewed evidence?



Twins with autism should tell you autism is genetic.



People with autism are no more likely to be vaccinated than not. Completely unvaccinated children have autism.



There is no law preventing a doctor from advising someone to use herbs if he wants to. The vast majority do not because they know that there is no evidence that herbs do what the supplement industry claims they do. In addition, herbs often do not even contain what they are supposed to and may even be adulterated with prescription drugs. Most supplements are just a waste of money and harmless. Substituting them for treatments shown to be effective for serious illnesses could be catastrophic.
Without going through the pain of dissecting each point, let's focus on a couple of key ones ...

1) Contrary to the claim otherwise, there is no such thing as an un-contanimated vaccine. All vaccines contain countless and sometimes undetectable contaniments like mycoplasmas, which can indeed induce illness. Others, such as heavy metals like aluminum and mercury are neurotoxic, and can be extremely harmful to certain individuals who have an existing heavy metal overload from other sources, or simply have a poor tolerance for them, as each individual is different. Furthermore, it is no myth or conspiracy theory that the polio vaccine was contaminated with cancer and leukemia viruses, as was discovered by Maurice Hilleman, chief of Merck vaccine development. Tens of millions of people were injected with that vaccine, and it may likely be the explanation for the explosion of cancer we suffer today. One of them detected by Hilleman was SV40, the 40 stands for the running total of monkey viruses detected, with 39 others !

2) While you do acknowledge that some individuals can suffer harm from vaccines, you seem to insinuate, like the medical industry does, that they are necessary expendables. There is no other conclusion which can be reached, since there is ZERO EFFORT to identify the children who are at risk, like testing them for heavy metal load PRIOR TO vaccinating them. In fact, you and the industry want to make it as hard as possible, up to impossible for parents to safeguard their children by eliminating exemptions. So, you are, just as the industry does, consciously condemning a certain number of children to guaranteed harm, under the notion of the greater good. This is a DIRECT VIOLATION of the Hippocratic oath, which commands "first, do no harm". In conjunction with that violation, you want to destroy the most important right of "informed consent". If there is no choice, then there is no such thing as informed consent. You do know what "consent" means, right? It means you agree ... if you are not allowed to disagree, then consent isn't required.

3) Neither the medical establishment at large, nor individual doctors make money from healthy people, nor from natural health supplements. While a perfect world would be nice, assuming that there is no self interests involved with the medical establishment is a preposterous notion on the surface. Nevertheless, this is precisely the idea the establishment promotes, and so many believe. Apparently, we are to accept the idea that those who make up the club of modern medicine, are exempt from such human failings, and are just there to save the world from illness and disease. And even if that ridiculous notion was remotely true, then the only other conclusion would have to be ... they sure are doing a horrible job of it. But only the most naive could accept this idea that self interests (money) isn't the driving force. It's all about the money ... the medical industry is THE LARGEST INDUSTRY in existence, Barr none. It's bigger than Oil, bigger than Defends, and bigger than Agriculture. And what does this biggest of the big make it's fortune on? Illness. Therefore, expecting an industry which relies on sickness to make it's money, is the VERY LAST SOURCE to expect wellness from.

 
Old 06-14-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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You didn't open the links, did you?

Link #1: Washington Times
Link #2: FOX News Latino
Link #3: Respectful Insolence (Apparently the anti-antivaccine (wouldn't it be easier to say pro-vaccine?)site you mention)
Link #4: Medical Press Topics

When this was a fresher story, there were lots of links.
AGAIN, if what you say is true then why would you give us anti-vaccineers ammo?
 
Old 06-14-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Here is something for pro vax parents to consider:

Teachers not included in mandatory vaccination efforts | Peninsula Press

Vaccination records from 40, 50 years ago? Probably do not exist today. Simple blood draw to prove immunity? Well, you will have a religious objection to a blood draw by JW staff. That happened where I worked in Florida, which had JW staff, who refused a blood draw under a Wellness Program.

As I have said before, public school staff can refuse to get a Hep. B vaccination with no reason given. The only exemption given that "I do not want it".

This article speaks about a measles outbreak, When an outbreak happened at the public school where I was working (Florida) a few years ago, it was nothing like this. Education went on. No panic over 3 students (siblings) coming down with measles. They just stayed home from school until they got a doctor's note saying they could come back to school. End of story. None were hospitalized. None died.

So while you are working on "No Shots (Flu too?), No School" laws, you will need separate laws to include staff in that. Mandating childhood vaccinations, does not apply to adult school staff; from the Principal, to Office Staff, to Teachers/Paras, to Cafeteria Workers, to Janitors, to Bus Drivers.
 
Old 06-14-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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Here are some bills currently pending in respective states:

https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx

Good to see the following was veto'd"

SB 359: Forced Medical Treatment Act, Vetoed by Governor Abbott, 6/1

However here is another one for concern for a large populace:

NY A 6891 4/11/2015 OPPOSE Introduced on 4/8 and referred to the Assembly Committee on Health Allows forced vaccination and medical treatment under certain circumstances
 
Old 06-14-2015, 10:09 AM
 
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AGAIN, if what you say is true then why would you give us anti-vaccineers ammo?
That's your interpretation.
 
Old 06-14-2015, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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So when did vaccinations become one size fit all?
 
Old 06-14-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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So when did vaccinations become one size fit all?
They are not totally yet. The laws are no completely passed everywhere but soon they will required by everyone in due time.
 
Old 06-14-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Too bad I know he could have been healed without a drug.
Wow. You can cure leukemia with herbs or is it just prayer with a 100% chance of success.

Amazing.

I'm sure we all look forward to this 100% cure rate, which is easily proven of course....well if it's the truth.

How about you source up your claim?
 
Old 06-14-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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They are not totally yet. The laws are no completely passed everywhere but soon they will required by everyone in due time.

So regardless of if it makes you sick or kills you in the end it's for the best.
 
Old 06-14-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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Wow. You can cure leukemia with herbs or is it just prayer with a 100% chance of success.

Amazing.

I'm sure we all look forward to this 100% cure rate, which is easily proven of course....well if it's the truth.

How about you source up your claim?
Sorry Mathguy the data is out there, you just need to seek for it.
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