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Old 06-14-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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What aspects of common core teach stupidity?
The application of memorization of counterproductive procedure.

It seems to be designed to create bureaucrats.

Bureaucracy is Socialism - Mindless, purposeless, destructive activity.

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Old 06-14-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Common Core is the worst education policy since "Whole Language".
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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The application of memorization of useless procedure.

It seems to be designed to create bureaucrats.
But the number line is not a new concept introduced by common core. One lesson plan in one curriculum that poorly applies a number line doesn't break the concept, especially when common core does not actually define a curriculum.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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The common core was created by education policy experts and the business community to help students in the US become more competitive against their peers around the world.
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In this thread, a bunch of dinosaurs who don't understand problem solving concepts and how to teach children to learn. Enjoy your rote memorization.
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I don't see anybody wanting to dumb down their kids except for backwards regressives who think addition and multiplication tables actually teach anything but memorization.
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Learning subtraction the old fashioned way (the way dad did it) first results in kids just following rote steps. The number line asks them to think about the concept. First go back 300, then go back 10, then go back 6. Kids are NOT miniature adults. The child is also being asked to THINK about the problem and explain what the other student did wrong. I love this problem. We need more like it.
The three of you seem to criticize "rote memorization". That's fine. Here's the problem.

In Ivorytickler's example, beans makes 100% more sense, and is how I was taught. I have X of a thing, someone or something takes away Y of a thing, how many do I have left?

That's simple subtraction. Addition is the opposite.

Once a kid knows this as well as counting 1-100, it's a very simple concept to grasp.

Common Core wants to teach a kid, "well, why am I taking away Y of a thing? And why am I only left with X of a thing?"

In the workplace - the real world - the "why" doesn't matter nearly as much as the answer being correct. Could you imagine some kid punching away at a cash register, it rings up $4 in change, they do it on paper and they say, "hmm...no, it really should be $2 in change because of this and this". So they short change the customer.

How is that beneficial?

The right answer should be all that matters. Thus, if a person memorizes an addition/subtraction/multiplication/division table, plus the concept with beans above, that's all they need to succeed. The why of it is irrelevant. I mean come on, we were using an abacus for YEARS without a problem. Same concept. Worked perfectly fine for the finest minds of our history.

When they start teaching classes like thermodynamics, chemistry, fission, etc., then it's perfectly fine to explore the "why". But for simple math? Waste of brain energy.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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But the number line is not a new concept introduced by common core. One lesson plan in one curriculum that poorly applies a number line doesn't break the concept, especially when common core does not actually define a curriculum.
Animated Mass = Energy times the speed of light divided by the speed of light squared.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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What aspects of common core teach stupidity?
All aspects of common core are stupid.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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The Romans sought to establish their mental identity as separate and superior to the Greeks, so they "invented" Roman math.

IV times XIV = LVI.

This is Statist Math. (Common Core)

The Greeks were more Libertarian.

The Catholics jumped on Roman Math System to keep the laity in a perpetual state of confusion.

Fricken priests had abacuses in their chambers.

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Old 06-14-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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America is doomed.
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Old 06-15-2015, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Love it. "Who's Next" is a my favorite and just as timely as if he wrote it yesterday.

We could learn a lot from Tom Leher. he is on you tube. And you can still get his stuff from I Tunes.
It shows my age that I have all his recordings on the original 33 and a third vinyl. My particular favs are

(1) The Wild West is where I want to be " I'll watch the fellas practice dropping BOMBS through the clean desert breeze, Yahoo!"
(2) So Long Mom I'm off to drop the Bomb." His song for WW3 because if any songs are to come from that war we better start writing them NOW"
(3) Pollution "American cities are very pretty, but don't drink the water and don't breath the air"
(4) Wernher von Braun " Once the rockets are up who cares where they come down, its not my department says Wernher von Braun"
(5) The Vatican Rag " If your sins original, try playing it safer, drink the wine and chew the wafer!"

We shouldn't be so proud we haven't changed much in 50 years. The great hand only changes the players in the game not the game itself.
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Old 06-15-2015, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Love it. "Who's Next" is a my favorite and just as timely as if he wrote it yesterday.

We could learn a lot from Tom Leher. he is on you tube. And you can still get his stuff from I Tunes.
Are you glad Alabama hasn't got the bomb?
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