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Old 06-21-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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you said that 'anchor babies' is not what was intended by the 14th amendment, I was waiting for you to show me wrong...but it doesn't appear that you can
14th Amendment Doesn't Make Illegal Aliens' Children Citizens - US News

Here's another in depth explanation:

The 14th Amendment was only intended to bestow citizenship on U.S.-born individuals who did not owe allegiance to any other sovereign/country:

1) The 14th Amendment and it's original intent:

Senator Trumbull: "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Congressional Record:
http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llcg/073/0000/00152893.tif

Trumbull's role in drafting and introducing the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100304...about/history/

Children born in the U.S. to a foreign citizen parent whose country has jus sanguinis (right of blood) citizenship law were never supposed to be born U.S. citizens. They may choose to naturalize as a U.S. citizen at some point, but they were never intended to be U.S. citizens at birth. Only those ignorant of historical fact and the Congressional Record misinterpret the 14th Amendment to mean anything else

2) Article XXV Section 1992 of the 1877 Revised Statutes, enacted after the 14th Amendment, which clarified exactly who are U.S. citizens at birth per the Constitution:

"All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States".

Revised Statutes of the United States, Passed at the First Session of the ... - United States

3) U.S. Secretaries of State determinations as to exactly who has birthright citizenship:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Both cases cited in this digest:
A Digest of the International Law of the United States: Taken from Documents ... - Google Books

4) In regards to illegal aliens' anchor babies... Their parents were NOT in the U.S. legally and therefore did NOT have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. as did Wong Kim Ark's, a fact on which SCOTUS based their determination that WKA was born a U.S. citizen:

WKA decision:

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

The parents must have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. WKA's parents were living in the U.S. legally. Illegal immigrants don't have a permanent domicile in the U.S. because they are in the country illegally. Furthermore, it is a federal offense to harbor an illegal alien in the U.S., or aid or abet in their harboring in the U.S. Illegal aliens' permanent domicile is in their home country; the country which would issue their passports were they to have one.

For political reasons, the 14th Amendment has been bastardized since then, but such bastardization was never an actual Constitutional Amendment.

I am done reading your anti-American BS so welcome to my ignore list.
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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I am done reading your anti-American BS so welcome to my ignore list.
Thank you! That is generally a sign of someone boxing themselves into a corner
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Old 06-21-2015, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Does that mean they will get Obamacare ?
Like Ted Cruz? No.
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Old 06-21-2015, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Like Ted Cruz? No.
Is there a reason Cruz should not be eligible for Obamacare?
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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What's an undocumented?
I wonder about that as well. The term I think he is looking for is criminal alien.
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:48 PM
 
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I wonder about that as well. The term I think he is looking for is criminal alien.
too cute by half
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Is there a reason Cruz should not be eligible for Obamacare?
I didn't say he is not eligible. He got Obamacare. No?
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