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Old 06-19-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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Of course he does. His and those like him, their answer for everything is more government and less rights for us. Im not shocked he said this though I thought maybe he would wait at least a day.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You can dismiss it if you want but the statistics don't lie in this case. Vermont's lack of gun laws is well documented. It alternates with NH and ME for lowest violent crime rate in the country every year.

Vermont: Safe and Happy and Armed to the Teeth | National Review Online

That is not an academic paper but it cites the various stats I'm referring to.

Do you have any stats for the homicide rate in Stockholm? I've seen figures such as 3 per 100,000, which would be nearly twice the average rate for Vermont. Vermont has slightly less people total than that city but still. This article suggests gun crime is on the rise in Sweden:

Swedish murder rate spikes in 2013 - The Local

Nothing you posted changes my opinion it's not guns, it's cultural and societal issues behind this. There's a world of difference between the society and culture in northern New England states and a place like Florida, and the crime rates in each.
Lets take the entire population of say, DC and ship them off to Switzerland, without guns no less. Does anything think the crime level there would change?
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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Obama can call for gun control all he wants but we have a Constitution which doesn't give a damn about what Obama wants....he's pissin in the wind.
If it didn't come with such political liability, Obama would probably try to push through something where the ATF required that each bullet have a serial number. Imagine what that would do to the price of ammo which would then impact people's decision to purchase guns.

IMHO, if it wouldn't impact the Democrat party (yes, I know it's technically Democratic party, but I'll continue with Democrat) so hard in many states, he'd definitely be pushing something like that.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Lets take the entire population of say, DC and ship them off to Switzerland, without guns no less. Does anything think the crime level there would change?
It would mimic a helium balloon.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Except maybe a gun control law that banned handgun ownership outright? Just saying.
Come back to reality.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Now tell me who didn't see that coming. Another well though out knee jerk reaction.

Obama: Church Shooting 'Raises Questions About a Dark Part of Our History' - NBC News
He's an idiot
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:03 AM
 
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No, cities like Stockholm are way more dangerous than states like Vermont if you go by statistics.

How do you control for differences in culture? Sorry but I know enough about statistics from my education that I know you can make them say whatever you want them to say. The studies you cited are extremely broad and don't dig deep at all into the issue.

That's not the end of the story. Here are some articles you might consider looking at:

Florenz Plassmann, State University of New York at Binghamton, and John Whitley, University of Adelaide, 'Confirming "More Guns, Less Crime"', Stanford Law Review, 2003

T. B. Marvell, Justec Research, "The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

David E. Olson, Loyola University Chicago, and Michael D. Maltz, University of Illinois at Chicago, "Right-to-carry concealed weapons laws and homicide in large U.S. counties: the effect on weapon types, victim characteristics, and victim-offender relationships," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.

Bruce L. Benson, Florida State University, and Brent D. Mast, American Enterprise Institute, "Privately Produced General Deterrence", The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.
You're comparing a state to a city

Compare Stockholm to an American city. States and cites are different and cannot be compared. The country of Sweden is safer than the state of Vermont. Furthermore Sweden is safer than the United States.

Have you even been to Stockholm?
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Jawjah
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I will just drop this right here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi1cgPGqdOk
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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You buy a relative a gift of a gun your RELATIVE, whoever they are, should have to pass a background check. Oh, we'll trust your word that your Uncle Joe, Son Johnny, or even your wife Mary, is a "good guy". Blind trust.

Adam Lanza was given guns by his mother. Dylan Roof was given guns by his father. Both had issues ranging from previous mental health issues, and a pending Felony charge for illegal possession of drug.

If these over 21 children have nothing to HIDE, let them pass their own background checks themselves, and not have a parent skirt the issue for them.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Now tell me who didn't see that coming. Another well though out knee jerk reaction.

Obama: Church Shooting 'Raises Questions About a Dark Part of Our History' - NBC News
Well, I see the gun salesman in chief is back to selling guns and ammunition. I wish I owned a gun shop right now. Gun prices and ammunition sales will go through the roof again, for a little while.
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