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Old 07-01-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It's one of the clearest injustices of climate change: The Marshall Islands likely won't exist if we warm the planet 2 degrees. I traveled to the remote Pacific to learn what it's like to try to process that doomsday forecast. And why some people already are making the painful decision to leave. You voted for this coverage as part of CNN's two° series.
By John D. Sutter, CNN


You're making this island disappear

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The entire article is full of hot air, and short on facts. He even claims the nuclear bomb tests back in the 50s are partly to blame...
TY CNN for continuing to pander to the Chicken Little's who actually believe in hogwash like this article.

The Marshall Islands, being the Atoll's they are, make every storm surge and king tide an event. The islands are not disappearing because the ocean is rising, it's disappearing because of erosion.



Over the last century, the oceans have risen 4-8 inches. Hey wait... if science is so precise, which is it? If they said the moon is somewhere between 200,000 and 400,000 miles from earth, the men who went there; would have been screwed.

Conveniently, the article below, while showing how little the oceans have actually risen over the last 100 years, cleverly emphasizes that the most rise has been over the last 20 years. But again, how do they know if they can't say exactly how much the actual rise is?

Sea Level Rise -- National Geographic
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Over the last century, the oceans have risen 4-8 inches. Hey wait... if science is so precise, which is it? If they said the moon is somewhere between 200,000 and 400,000 miles from earth, the men who went there; would have been screwed.
Actually, if they said the moon is somewhere between 225,622 and 406,696 miles from earth they'd be scientifically accurate. They would've been screwed had they believed it followed a perfectly circular orbit.
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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Let us not forget that a bunch of nuclear bombs were tested there in years past. Maybe the island is sinking from the damage.

They have also built seawalls - that over the long term disrupt what should be normal sediment flow.

They way water works - if sea levels were the problem , it would be affecting all of the islands.
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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Unless it tips over first
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:03 AM
 
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Unless it tips over first
ROFLMAO!!!

Hank, is that you?
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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The entire article is full of hot air, and short on facts. He even claims the nuclear bomb tests back in the 50s are partly to blame...
TY CNN for continuing to pander to the Chicken Little's who actually believe in hogwash like this article.
I don't see it. Please quote the lines where nuclear testing is blamed for the islands sinking.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Erosion is caused by the sea. The sea level rises and more erosion occurs. What is so hard about that?
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:32 AM
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Its impossible for the human activities that have occurred since (and including) the industrial revolution not to have affected the global climate. Absent a giant space hoover vacuuming up the problems, its just impossible.

If one particular political (ie read dogmatic) group of people hadn't made this one of their pet projects to disagree on and oppose, this would simply be acknowledged. As to what we do about it, and the extent of it, - another issue. But the pretense that somehow the activities cannot have affected the climate - why would people be so puerile? It takes a huge narcissism to think something global is specifically directed at your own political beliefs! Amazing.

The geologists can thank their lucky stars that these people aren't all outraged and political about tectonic plates. Thank goodness I didn't choose climatology they are thinking.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It's one of the clearest injustices of climate change: The Marshall Islands likely won't exist if we warm the planet 2 degrees. I traveled to the remote Pacific to learn what it's like to try to process that doomsday forecast. And why some people already are making the painful decision to leave. You voted for this coverage as part of CNN's two° series.
By John D. Sutter, CNN


You're making this island disappear

__________________________________

The entire article is full of hot air, and short on facts. He even claims the nuclear bomb tests back in the 50s are partly to blame...
TY CNN for continuing to pander to the Chicken Little's who actually believe in hogwash like this article.

The Marshall Islands, being the Atoll's they are, make every storm surge and king tide an event. The islands are not disappearing because the ocean is rising, it's disappearing because of erosion.



Over the last century, the oceans have risen 4-8 inches. Hey wait... if science is so precise, which is it? If they said the moon is somewhere between 200,000 and 400,000 miles from earth, the men who went there; would have been screwed.

Conveniently, the article below, while showing how little the oceans have actually risen over the last 100 years, cleverly emphasizes that the most rise has been over the last 20 years. But again, how do they know if they can't say exactly how much the actual rise is?

Sea Level Rise -- National Geographic
Re- the bolded question...Sea level does not rise at the same rate in relationship to the land everywhere....Check link. Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

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Old 07-01-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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Re- the bolded question...Sea level does not rise at the same rate in relationship to the land everywhere....Check link.
The sea itself rises at the same rate, those stations are static and what differs is how fast the land is rising or falling. Some of those stations show a "falling sea".
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