How are we still having conversations about moving past race when the Confederate flag still flies proudly? (polls, activist)
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Momo is fine hoisting swastika as well? After all, if have an issue with that, you have the issue with anything. Genius!
The Confederate flag was the national symbol of the Confederacy.
Lots of people disagreed with the South breaking away to form a new nation.
Those people would be statists.
The hypocrisy of us declaring ourselves a free and independent state when we broke bonds with Britain and then turning around in less than one century to forbid the South doing exactly the same thing is breathtaking.
The South was militarily defeated by the North but their right to be free and independent should have never been questioned.
The South lost more than 260,000 of their young men who served under the Confederate flag.
To say the Confederacy was illegitimate because they were militarily defeated ignores our own history and what might well have been a very different outcome to the Revolutionary War.
To say the lives lost by the South fighting to be free of the North mean nothing because the North was successful in denying the South its independence is as morally reprehensible as anything ever done in the South to blacks.
Now, what is essentially a memorial to lost Southern soldiers and the South`s crushed attempt to be free of the North, is attacked as a symbol of racism at par with the swastika.
Never let e good crisis go to waste. The flag issue is all over the internet. Lots of BS. the State went to court ten years ago and brought it down and put it ona memorial. Get over it. Why wasnt this important before Wednseday night.
Hawaiis flag is a English Union Jack. Yes, the country that tried to kill us off. If they did, we would not have anything to say here.
Mississippi has a flag with its history going back to Civil War. But its not an issue.
There were over ten different flags the south used for battle flags, three approved. Do you even know which one is at our capitol without googling it.?
Get educated on our flags within US before trying to tear it down.
While we are at it, letz get rid of KKK, Black Panthers etc. They are hate groups which keep agitating hate like Al Sharpton. BOOKER T WASHINGTON, wrote of these types in 1909 era. They are the biggest root to hate and racism we have. Including Obama who was brought up on Black Theology. Look it up
There is no amount of "bringing up" race relations and racism that will do more harm to moving into a post-racial America than flying the banner of the most aggressively racist event in American history.
The navy jack of the Confederate States of America's navy is the banner of the most racist event in American history? That is the stars and bars flag flown at SC's capitol...the CSA navy jack, not the CSA national flag. And the Civil War was not the most racist event in US history, since it was white people killing white people. I'd go with Manifest Destiny pretty much obliterating all the remaining native American tribes, the various post-13th Amendment rules that allowed the Chinese to still be enslaved or indentured by law, or the internment of the Japanese Americans at Manzanaar, where it was white people attacking/killing/oppressing non-white people in specific events.
Secession sought to preserve state laws that allowed something everyone agreed was legal just a decade or two before. But at no point from 1787 until 1860 did South Carolina or any other former member of the CSA "become a slave" state. The original United States of 1787 was a slave nation, and the less industrial, more agrarian South didn't adapt to the mechanized age as fast as their northern counterparts. Yes, the secession was to defend the state right to keep slavery legal, but that was preservation of a system in place for the prior 150 or so years, and that system enslaved white people from Ireland and the Chinese as much as it did blacks from Africa (sold by conquering black warlords in Western Africa to white slavers for more guns, kinda like today, just with slower ships and less Islam).
For reference, here's another flag that celebrates slavery in all of the United States:
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
There is no letting the past die when large segments of America openly rally behind a symbol of a time of Black dehumanization.
No, there's no letting the past die because the past is immutable. Slavery existed in the United States, nothing can change that now. Approximately 350,000 white Union soldiers died fighting for the victorious, anti-slavery side of the war. Nothing can change that. The party that is most castigated in 2015 for anti-black racism (falsely) has a better voting track record on every single civil rights law ever voted on at the federal level than their Democrat counterparts. Nothing can change that.
Tribalism is a simple fact of human nature. No society has ever evolved their culture to be above it, not even the ones superior to the United States. One of the easiest and most common tribes people choose is "folks who look like me." White Americans of the last 40 years did not invent that concept, Mother Nature did back when humans began walking upright and testing out all the cool stuff their opposing thumbs could do.
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
All this talk about Obama or any public figure bringing up the historic mistreatment of Black Americans when when people, places, and symbols who's only relevance is related to the historic mistreatment of Black Americans get celebrated.
If America is really concerned about the President "fanning" racial animosity, then how about those same voices challenge who openly accepted the Confederate flag is in certain political circles.
The President's error is in making one set of Americans hate/blame/antagonize another set of Americans. He does it with unequal use of his weaponized IRS and DoJ, he does it when he makes polarized speeches without knowing any facts, and he does it when he singles out free speech from people he does not like as somehow a danger/enemy to the Republic. The President should be attempting to help different sets of Americans get along, not choosing a side and castigating the other side. He's the President of the entire country, not just people he likes.
Never let e good crisis go to waste. The flag issue is all over the internet. Lots of BS. the State went to court ten years ago and brought it down and put it ona memorial. Get over it. Why wasnt this important before Wednseday night.
Hawaiis flag is a English Union Jack. Yes, the country that tried to kill us off. If they did, we would not have anything to say here.
Mississippi has a flag with its history going back to Civil War. But its not an issue.
There were over ten different flags the south used for battle flags, three approved. Do you even know which one is at our capitol without googling it.?
Get educated on our flags within US before trying to tear it down.
While we are at it, letz get rid of KKK, Black Panthers etc. They are hate groups which keep agitating hate like Al Sharpton. BOOKER T WASHINGTON, wrote of these types in 1909 era. They are the biggest root to hate and racism we have. Including Obama who was brought up on Black Theology. Look it up
i must be nostradamus or something. one minute after i post that the only people who defend the flag are conservative white males, a conservative white male posts defending the flag.
It doesn't matter if they were slave-owners. They SUPPORTED the cause of slave-owning and the perpetual dehumanization of Black Americans.
Facts don`t matter?
The North was not fighting to end slavery, but the South, and particularly individual Confederate soldiers, were hell-bent on preserving the slavery we know the North wasn`t trying to end?
Maybe we can move past racism when we stop having institutions promote it, such as the NAACP, Black History Month, affirmative action based on race, etc. As long as we have organizations promoting one race over another we'll never be rid of racism.
You forgot St. Patrick's Day and The Jewish Defense League.
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Which came first: the NAACP or the flag that was flown by people supporting the dehumanization of Black Americans?
If you're going to have an honest discussion on race relations, ignoring the most visible symbol of American racism seems to be the first "symbol" that needs to be dealt with. Everything after that is a moot point if the Confederate flag is still hoisted and proudly displayed.
The most visible symbol of racism would be colors worn by gang members who sell drugs in low income black neighborhoods.
It doesn't matter if they were slave-owners. They SUPPORTED the cause of slave-owning and the perpetual dehumanization of Black Americans.
You have no idea what you are talking about. The United States of America was a slave country. The US flag was a slave flag. In fact, it was the BRITISH who wanted to abolish slavery, and the British did abolish slavery long before the United States. Every single colony in the United States at our independence had slaves in them. And some of the Northern States still allowed slavery during the entirety of the Civil War. The four "Border states" were slave-states. Had the Civil War been fought to abolish slavery, the four border states would either have joined the Confederacy, or would have abolished slavery in 1861.
The truth is, the North did not want to abolish slavery, they didn't care about the slaves at all, Lincoln didn't care about the slaves. Lincoln was a racist, who thought blacks were sub-human. He said repeatedly that he didn't care if slavery continued or not, that he only wanted to keep the union together.
The Northern soldiers did not fight a war to end slavery. The Southern soldiers did not fight a war to perpetuate slavery. Just because the historians have tried to make the Civil War about slavery to serve their agendas, doesn't make it so.
The only reason slavery was actually abolished in the south, was because Lincoln was losing the Civil War, and he was afraid of European intention(which came VERY CLOSE to happening). And secondly, because he realized that by allying with blacks, he could use them as soldiers, in a war that the public was turning against.
It wasn't until May of 1863, more than two years after the war began, that Lincoln even began allowing blacks to become soldiers in the Union Army. And black soldiers in the Union Army were paid half of what white soldiers were paid.
The flag is just a couple blue stripes with stars on a red background.
If you see racism in that, you can see racism in anything.
Should we stop advertising fried chicken in Detroit or Mayonnaise in Livonia because they could be considered by some to be racist?
How about watermelon? Shouldn't that be banned everywhere, as well? Also: catfish, 40 ounce beers, etc.? All can be perceived as racial-stereotype foods.
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