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Old 06-25-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost View Post
Whackos that vote republican with anti-Civil Rights rhetoric being one of their political centerpiece...
There may be some people who do that, but there are also Democrats who do that too. However, you are not answering the question. I asked for proof of what sdbound said. If you had any you would have provided it by now. Thanks for playing.

 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
The Democrats continued to control the statehouses and the congressional delegations of Southern states straight into the 1990s.
That is what the books that I recommend that sdbound read say too.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
Actually, no they didn't. The Democrats continued to control the statehouses and the congressional delegations of Southern states straight into the 1990s. Look it up and see for yourself.

Also, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by larger percentages than the Democrats did. Here is the vote breakdown, for your information:

Civil Rights Act of 1964:

The original House version:

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
No I'm correct, I didn't say Republicans, I said conservatives. You're confusing political parties (Democrats and Republicans) with conservitives and liberals...
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Originally Posted by sd-bound View Post
No I'm correct, I didn't say Republicans, I said conservatives. You're confusing political parties (Democrats and Republicans) with conservitives and liberals...
But you did say Republicans.

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In case you weren't aware, during the civil rights movement in the early sixties, conservatives moved en masse into the Republican Party in protest and that's when the rebel flag went up all over the south.
If you had read any good history books on the subject rather than regurgitating leftist talking points you would know that that is not true.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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No I'm correct, I didn't say Republicans, I said conservatives. You're confusing political parties (Democrats and Republicans) with conservitives and liberals...
Name those conservatives then. I know a couple off hand, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, but the rest largely stayed Democrats (Byrd, Hollings). So, you made the statement and now prove it. Prove that so many of these Democrats became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
Actually, no they didn't. The Democrats continued to control the statehouses and the congressional delegations of Southern states straight into the 1990s. Look it up and see for yourself.

Also, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by larger percentages than the Democrats did. Here is the vote breakdown, for your information:
Civil Rights Act of 1964:

The original House version:

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
You are reciting talking points that are not based on the historical facts or the truth.

It was pretty much north vs south

House

Southern Dems
7-87

Northern Dems
145-9


Southern Reps
0-10

Northern Reps
134-28

Senate

Southern Dems
1-20

Southern Reps
0-1


Northern Dems
45-1

Northern Reps
27-5
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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1. I am a non-partisan independent. I despise both major parties. Democracy exists to inhibit change.

2. I support the 10th Amendment which makes a distinction between federal powers and those that belong to the states or the people. Your question makes no sense because states' power is people's rights in this context.

3. Of course. Do you?
1- The word partisan has a meaning. Learn it and test yourself. Someone who dwells on making arguments entirely on partisan lines is a demonstrated partisan.
2- you circumvented the question: people's right, or state's? To make it more clear, do you expect any of your rights to be infringed upon by the state so that state's supremacy applies on you?
3- then you should support the removalof confederate flag that went up in opposition.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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But you did say Republicans...
Jeez, no I didn't;

What stopped the Democrats from taking it down over the 100+ years after the civil war when they were in charge?

Conservatives.

In case you weren't aware, during the civil rights movement in the early sixties, conservatives moved en masse into the Republican Party in protest and that's when the rebel flag went up all over the south.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:52 AM
 
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Don't or didn't?

People don't fly the Confederate flag as a symbol of white supremacy either.
Some of them do now and even as a lifelong Southerner that's my immediate reaction to seeing the confederate flag now.

There are a gazillion ways to acknowledge our past without using a symbol that many identify with white supremacy.
 
Old 06-25-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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It was pretty much north vs south
What does geography have to do with it? The truth is that the Civil Rights Bill was originally sponsored by Republicans and Lyndon Johnson refused to let it come to a vote when it was introduced in 1957. Leftists worship a guy who actively opposed civil rights and regularly used the N-word. The 1964 version had bi-partisan sponsorship but was a Republican bill all the way. More Republicans voted for it while more Democrats voted against it. Johnson pulled the biggest flip-flop of all time by signing it. He was driven by political opportunism and gamesmanship not principled decision making. If he thought that he could get away with it he would have fought tooth and nail against the CRA, instead he signed it, started the 24 billion dollar boondoggle of the War on Poverty and in private said "I'll have those ******s voting Democrat for the next 200 years".
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