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Old 06-23-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by metroxian View Post
Racism is no longer a problem. Today, Senate Republicans officially sacrificed their electability in 2016 by passing the TPA. This creates a clear path for Democratic control of both Houses of Congress, and the White House as a result of the 2016 election.

Republicans will fall like dead flies in a forest fire with 40% or less of their usual expectations.
You are in error. Republicans have always been supportive of free trade and of Trade Promotion Authority for presidents. All this does is enable Obama to try to negotiate a free trade agreement, which he would not be able to do without this authority. If he negotiates a bad deal, which to be honest I expect that he will, then that is when the Republicans will bring the hammer down, as they are expected to try and do with what appears to be shaping up as an outrageously bad nuclear deal with Iran.

TPA requires an up or down vote on any treaty that may be eventually negotiated. That is ALL it does.

No Republican senator will lose their seat or any appreciable amount of votes for supporting trade promotiion authority.

 
Old 06-23-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You are in error. Republicans have always been supportive of free trade and of Trade Promotion Authority for presidents. All this does is enable Obama to try to negotiate a free trade agreement, which he would not be able to do without this authority. If he negotiates a bad deal, which to be honest I expect that he will, then that is when the Republicans will bring the hammer down, as they are expected to try and do with what appears to be shaping up as an outrageously bad nuclear deal with Iran.

TPA requires an up or down vote on any treaty that may be eventually negotiated. That is ALL it does.

No Republican senator will lose their seat or any appreciable amount of votes for supporting trade promotiion authority.

If he doesn't have the authority now, why change that aspect and take it away from We the People, through congress??
 
Old 06-23-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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Former racists of both parties renounced their old views, and neither party has a perfect record on racial matters by any stretch. But it is a libel to suggest that the Republican party, the anti-slavery party, the party of Lincoln, and the party that traditionally supported civil rights, anti-lynching laws, and integration, became the racist party after 1964.

Racism isn't limited to one party. It never has been.
The racists party has been the Democratic Party. I think your point is personal racism as it applies to any individual, is not limited to which political party a person chooses. But the Democratic Party was the one defending slavery, segregation. Jim Crow laws, black codes, etc... the Republican Party has always opposed those.

Here was Obama, on the aptly titled, WTF Podcast:

Obama: “What is also true is the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination in almost every institution of our lives, you know, that casts a long shadow and that’s still part of our DNA that’s passed on,” Obama continued. “We’re not cured of it.”

He means the long shadow cast by the Democratic Party, because the Republican Party was not a part of any of that crap.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Right-wingers on this forum have a nasty habit of making racist statements, only to turn around claim they're not bigots. What's up with that? Own it!

Some even laughably claim they voted for Obama before seeing the light . Are these the latest marching orders from Limbaugh or something? Teabillies passing themselves off as a disgruntled Democrats turned Republicans? That's comical.

You lost all credibility when you touted the junk science in the Bell Curve. Sorry, but professing your love for Ben Carson very much sounds like the "my best friends are black" defense. Especially when you think his race is intellectually inferior to whites.

And no, the similarities between your typical racist right-winger and Dylann Roof are not akin to a shared love of pork dishes. What a laughable asinine comparison. Roof's views were literally molded by right-wing hate sites.
Do you get paid every time you type the words "Dylann Roof?" If not you should see if you can make that happen, because you'd be making some good scratch.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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i guess that this thread is implying that 'racism' is exclusive to people that identify themselves as republican

besides "republican" being just a political designation with no real significance..how does one quantify that republicans are racists?

i know people that claim/vote republican and they are good people, they aren't racists

there are democrats that have been members of the KKK (an actual racist organization)..i suppose this makes democrats racists?

people really need to stop this. all this name calling is getting tired.

what effs me up about this whole racism thing is that WHITE people have actually hijacked the whole racism conversation

how ironic that these days WHITE people (i would say 90+%) are the ones barking out the term 'racism' against other white people

i figured out that it is some game of *GOTCHA* (on a national scale/grand level) that WHITE people are playing against each other

literally waking up everyday seeing which one of their peers they can call out first as a 'racist'

smh. i guess this makes the person feel better about themselves?

sitting back as a black man i find it unbeliveable... because the racism topic has been hijacked and so many has cried wolf over the years NOONE especially the people in bubbles will believe it when it really occurs

kids and peanut butter sandwiches have become racism... so its no wonder a segment of the population just psssh it off

just my small minded ignorant thoughts on the matter...
 
Old 06-23-2015, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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i guess that this thread is implying that 'racism' is exclusive to people that identify themselves as republican

besides "republican" being just a political designation with no real significance..how does one quantify that republicans are racists?

i know people that claim/vote republican and they are good people, they aren't racists

there are democrats that have been members of the KKK (an actual racist organization)..i suppose this makes democrats racists?

people really need to stop this. all this name calling is getting tired.

what effs me up about this whole racism thing is that WHITE people have actually hijacked the whole racism conversation

how ironic that these days WHITE people (i would say 90+%) are the ones barking out the term 'racism' against other white people

i figured out that it is some game of *GOTCHA* (on a national scale/grand level) that WHITE people are playing against each other

literally waking up everyday seeing which one of their peers they can call out first as a 'racist'

smh. i guess this makes the person feel better about themselves?

sitting back as a black man i find it unbeliveable... because the racism topic has been hijacked and so many has cried wolf over the years NOONE especially the people in bubbles will believe it when it really occurs

kids and peanut butter sandwiches have become racism... so its no wonder a segment of the population just psssh it off

just my small minded ignorant thoughts on the matter...
When the policies of both parties are similar, except the hand picked winners and losers the deflection has to start somewhere.
Instead of looking at the obvious policy failures like neither bailout worked or admitting we need to give up on staying in the Middle East in unconstitutional never ending wars, race is brought up. It's the tabloid posters dream.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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It's been the Democratic Party leaders that run around calling Republicans racists at the drop of a hat, it's sickening.

But then I see why the dems do it, having the long shadow of their party's racism, slavery, segregation etc... they feel the need to deflect the reality of their own party's past by pretending it belongs to the Republicans instead.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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But then I see why the dems do it, having the long shadow of their party's racism, slavery, segregation etc... they feel the need to deflect the reality of their own party's past by pretending it belongs to the Republicans instead.
But the Democrats are very good at it and their accomplices in the media let them get away with it with the result we have a whole segment of the population who have no idea of their history and will fight you tooth and nail when you point out the truth. It's not just low-information voters your dealing with, it's proudly misinformed voters. And they flock to the Democrats.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Do you understand that 'democrat' and 'republican' are party labels?

Let's talk left and right. The Democrats in the south were conservatives at that time. Please study some political history, as all your comment is really stating is that Southern conservatives (now called Republicans) were in favor of institutionalized segregation and the confederate flag. Look up Dixiecrat and the Southern Strategy. This may help clarify the matter for you.

The Southern Strategy was used by Nixon to convert southern conservatives, who were members of the Democratic Party to become Republicans, which is what they are now. Changing the party label does not change who these people were and what they stand for.

The Dixiecrats were a political party organized in the summer of 1948 by conservative white southern Democrats committed to states' rights and the maintenance of segregation and opposed to federal intervention into race, and to a lesser degree, labor relations.

This subject has been discussed ad nauseum in the forum. For some reason, extremist conservatives never seem to understand the history of the political parties. They are much more intent on labels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dixiecrat

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Southern_strategy











I am aware of only two Southern Democrats who switched parties.

The first was Strom Thurmond who seems to fit your racist Dixiecrat seeking greener racist pastures in the Republican Party narrative, and then there is Mills Godwin who was endorsed by the NAACP following his party switch.

Apparently someone forgot to tell the NAACP in 1965 that Republicans were racists.
 
Old 06-24-2015, 06:42 AM
 
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Fifty years later, after Nixon's "Southern Strategy", the remaining racists of the next generation are now Pubs.

Odd?

I report.

You decide.

Carry on.



It's just more of the same from the liberal Democrats, desperately attempting to classify everyone else as racists, while white washing their own racist past. There was nothing that Nixon or the Republicans did to attract racist Democrats.

There has never been any racism in the Republican Party. Unlike the Democrats, they did not pass racist interracial marriage laws, never backed fugitive slave acts, or segregation, etc...

As has already been pointed out in this thread, the racists and segregationists in the Democratic Party remained in the party, they did not magically switch to Republican over night.

The change in the Democratic Party which drove people away had nothing to do with race relations. People left the dems because of their lurch to the socialist left. The dems became the anti-religion party, the pro-abortion party, the anti-states rights and pro-nanny state big government party. Hell, the socialist Sanders is running neck and neck with Hilary.
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