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Old 06-24-2015, 11:50 PM
 
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A bad guy with a gun is just a guy who use to be a good guy with a gun....hard to tell the difference sometimes.
It all boils down to the old saying .. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

Laws are only for those that follow them.
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Old 06-24-2015, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It all boils down to the old saying .. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

Laws are only for those that follow them.
Just like the other old saying, sometimes it is hard to tell a good guy with a gun from a bad guy with a gun until they start to use that gun.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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Just like the other old saying, sometimes it is hard to tell a good guy with a gun from a bad guy with a gun until they start to use that gun.
You are Not going to take the guns away from the bad guys so .. Is it preferable to have law-abiding, unarmed citizens die?

The only person who can make any difference when faced with a violent attacker is the person who is right THERE, right THEN.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You are Not going to take the guns away from the bad guys so .. Is it preferable to have law-abiding, unarmed citizens die?

The only person who can make any difference when faced with a violent attacker is the person who is right THERE, right THEN.
How do you know you aren't going to take guns away from the bad guys when you can't tell who the good guy is and who the bad guy is?
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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"Mass shootings per capita" is a really dumb comparison. Mass shootings are relatively infrequent events, so you need to look at the frequency with which they occur, not how many people on average got killed in them. Furthermore, the really telling statistic is the overall homicide and gun violence rate...tell me that USA is lower there? I'd be fascinated to know the answer to that (nint: I already know).
What you're really saying here is that mass shootings are such rare events that there is an inverse effect of the 'law of large numbers' in operation. You're literally more likely to die from being struck by lightning than from a mass shooting. Where are the threads on lightning?

FBI Report: You’re More Likely to Die From a Lightning Strike Than in a Mass Shooting
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What you're really saying here is that mass shootings are such rare events that there is an inverse effect of the 'law of large numbers' in operation. You're literally more likely to die from being struck by lightning than from a mass shooting. Where are the threads on lightning?

FBI Report: You’re More Likely to Die From a Lightning Strike Than in a Mass Shooting
I guess that is one way to ignore how common mass shootings have become in this country. Should we start playing the game which state will the next mass shooting happen in next? It is a fun game and sure to have a winner within a month or two, and several people can win each year.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:49 AM
 
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How do you know you aren't going to take guns away from the bad guys when you can't tell who the good guy is and who the bad guy is?
I'm thinking that you aren't really looking for an answer?

You like playing games in the early morning hours?

You are Not going to take guns away from every single person which leads us back to .. "If you outlaw guns ..."
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'm thinking that you aren't really looking for an answer?

You like playing games in the early morning hours?

You are Not going to take guns away from every single person which leads us back to .. "If you outlaw guns ..."
Well you do keep using these generalized phrases that have no real meaning. If guns are outlawed, they are no longer cheap, an outlaw who can afford them isn't going to be some mentally ill racist that has too much money to burn on guns to buy so that they can shoot a bunch of people.

Though there are ways to better regulate who has access to guns and ways to make it harder for "outlaws" to get guns.

Also, you are more likely to use that gun on yourself or have it used against you than you are using it against a bad guy with a gun.
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:23 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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For what it's worth, I don't think Switzerland, Finland, or Norway have notably stricter gun laws than the US on average, other than perhaps handguns. So it's not surprising that they would have mass shootings on about the same level. The greater use of rifles in those countries might account for the individual attacks being more deadly than in the US ..... after all, a pistol is a pretty crappy weapon except up close.

People often assume that European nations have pretty much the same gun laws, exceedingly strict, but that's not necessarily so.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So Obama is wrong. However, this doesn't go to say that gun homicides in the US aren't an issue that need to be addressed.
Well if you only care about homicides perpetrated at the end of a gun barrel, the solution is simple; ban guns.

However, if you care about homicides ( not just "gun" homicides ) the solution is far more complex.

More guns = more GUN crime, but more guns does not = more crime.

When you focus on "gun" deaths, "gun" crime, "gun" violence, etc. you're focus is entirely misplaced.

Frankly, the term "gun crime" is a term that in reality means nothing. It's idiot bait. Perhaps the researchers who've told us that the presence of guns increases "gun crime" can next focus their efforts on telling us why coastal states have a higher likelihood of shark attacks than inland states, or why the number of traffic fatalities skyrocketed between the years of 1850 and 1950.......SMH
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