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Old 06-25-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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This was not a drafting error and there was nothing ambiguous about the language. The statute clearly and unambiguously authorized subsidies to state exchanges only. If that wasn't the intention of the legislation, why would any state bother with the enormous expense of setting up their own exchanges in the first place?

The first and most basic canon of statutory interpretation is to follow the plain language of the statute. The majority even acknowledged as much in its ruling but found an excuse not to anyway. It's not the Supreme Court's job to re-interpret legislation to "fix" problems or unforeseen outcomes. It's Congress' job to make changes.
Really, because 6 out of the only 9 people on the planet that get to make that call just disagreed with you. Why does every conservative fancy themselves as some kind of constitutional law expert? What are your credentials? Let me guess, you put in hours of research and analysis using sources like Hannity, Limbaugh and Fox News, correct?
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Before the Unaffordable Car Act, her deductible as $1250 and now with the Unaffordable Care Act, it's more than $6K, so she can no longer afford to access medical care. Her policy also went up by 33% even with the $5K increase in her deductible. My son and I had 'Cadillac policies' from our employers so our coverage went down and the cost went way up.

The Unaffordable Care Act will have very minimal impact on the overall health coverage of Americans, a few Americans will get coverage and many will páy for those few. The problem is the one problem with US medical is the cost and it did nothing to address cost.
Our kids are facing the same thing: increased costs and big time, plus huge deductables. And of course no one talks about all the tests, etc that have been discontinued for those of us on medicare.

Our graddaughter is a nurse practitioner in a community clinic situation and she is seeing her benefits cut while those who have no money can get just about any care they need, with or without insurance. Actually her benifits are not being cut but the cost of her insurance has sky rocketed.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Premiums have, on average, declined. This means about half the people have experienced declines and half the people have experienced increases.Premiums are substantially regional, state and within state.

It depends on the competitiveness, or lack thereof, of the local healthcare market.

It depends on the strength or laxness of state insurance laws prior to the ACA.

It depends on the plan.
Show us where you got that information. I do not know of one person, from age 26 to 80 plus who have seen their premiums go down and I am talking in all sorts of business and financual situations, from first jobs to medi care supliments.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Is it only me who has noticed that all these horror stories about the ACA are coming from our right wingnut posters?
LOL at anyone thinking the NY Times is right wing.
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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don't sound like you have a Cadillac plan at all. I have United healthcare through my employer at American Airlines, my coverage never went down, and my premiums are the same.
What you are saying is totally not true if you have a family. Well, maybe United Healthcare, I don't know, but overall employees at American that have dependents were hit hard a year or so ago. Our one daughter works for American as well, in the past few years she has seen her premiums sky rocket and her deductables went up; this is mainly for her family, not directly for her. Are you married and are you covering your partner and/or family?
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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This was not a drafting error and there was nothing ambiguous about the language. The statute clearly and unambiguously authorized subsidies to state exchanges only. If that wasn't the intention of the legislation, why would any state bother with the enormous expense of setting up their own exchanges in the first place?

The first and most basic canon of statutory interpretation is to follow the plain language of the statute. The majority even acknowledged as much in its ruling but found an excuse not to anyway. It's not the Supreme Court's job to re-interpret legislation to "fix" problems or unforeseen outcomes. It's Congress' job to make changes.
Yup, only people who are blinded by partisanship...

Few things were discussed in more detail than the ACA. Show me where anyone involved in drafting the legislation, anyone at all, said "oh, BTW, premium subsidies will only be available to people who sign up under a state exchange. People signing up under the federal exchange won't get subsidies because - well, I dunno, they just won't."
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Really, because 6 out of the only 9 people on the planet that get to make that call just disagreed with you. Why does every conservative fancy themselves as some kind of constitutional law expert? What are your credentials? Let me guess, you put in hours of research and analysis using sources like Hannity, Limbaugh and Fox News, correct?
I have two law degrees.

How about you?
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Is it only me who has noticed that all these horror stories about the ACA are coming from our right wingnut posters? I'm surprised they don't blame the five year drought we had here in Oklahoma on Obamacare.
I wish they would at least put a little creative effort into their stories. I mean seriously, how many versions of "I had great health insurance prior to (insert favorite derogatory name for ACA) and thanks to the Kenyan, Muslim, socialist, fascist, communist, racist in the White House I am now paying 112% more in monthly premiums and have an eleventy thousand dollar deductible. Like it matters, because I can't find any doctors that are still practicing and it takes months to get past the death panels required to assess my need for an emergency exploratory appendectomy."
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Our kids are facing the same thing: increased costs and big time, plus huge deductables. And of course no one talks about all the tests, etc that have been discontinued for those of us on medicare.

Our graddaughter is a nurse practitioner in a community clinic situation and she is seeing her benefits cut while those who have no money can get just about any care they need, with or without insurance. Actually her benifits are not being cut but the cost of her insurance has sky rocketed.
I'm surprised you didn't say the sky was falling too!
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Old 06-25-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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Our kids are facing the same thing: increased costs and big time, plus huge deductables. And of course no one talks about all the tests, etc that have been discontinued for those of us on medicare.

Our graddaughter is a nurse practitioner in a community clinic situation and she is seeing her benefits cut while those who have no money can get just about any care they need, with or without insurance. Actually her benifits are not being cut but the cost of her insurance has sky rocketed.
You just have to love the delicious hypocrisy of a Medicare recipient complaining about other people receiving health insurance coverage subsidized by the federal government.
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