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Old 06-28-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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We already legalized it...its called lobbying and the whorehouse is the Congress
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Old 06-28-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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No, you just cant tell the difference between kidnapping, slavery and willingly trading sex for money.
But you can for a maid or nanny in the same situation?

Never the less, maid and nanny services are still legal but sex trade is not. I will say this again. Human trafficking is not only about the sex trade. It happens in many different types of work.

None of my friends were trafficked. I'm a 100% sure of it. Many do eventually move on to other lives. Yes.. they have baggage. They are not privy to many things we take for granted. They are often dealt a bad hand in life. But this does not mean we should jail them for the work they accept and agreed to do.
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Old 06-28-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Why is porn legal but not prostitution? That has never made sense to me. Both involve being paid for sex. Just one is in front of a camera and one is not.
Not the same thing. Performers are hired to sexually perform for a producer/director who is in the process of making a movie. Prostitution is when you hire someone for your own personal physical gratification.
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Old 06-28-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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Not the same thing. Performers are hired to sexually perform for a producer/director who is in the process of making a movie. Prostitution is when you hire someone for your own personal physical gratification.
But in the end people are getting paid for sex. Sex for personal satisfaction just doesn't seem like a legit diving line.
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Old 06-28-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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I kinda equate it to legalizing marijuana.

YES, there will be negative that go along with legalizing prostitution......but the pros outweigh the cons, IMHO.
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Old 06-28-2015, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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You must be a sexist. Why would you limit the practice of prostitution to only women?
Yes the gigolos need work also. lol. I agree. Make it legal in all states and regulate it.
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Old 06-29-2015, 06:51 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Not the same thing. Performers are hired to sexually perform for a producer/director who is in the process of making a movie. Prostitution is when you hire someone for your own personal physical gratification.
It varies from state to state BUT they are generally the same. For NJ

2C:34-1: Prostitution and Related Offenses
a. As used in this section:
(1) "Prostitution" is sexual activity with another person in exchange for something of economic value, or the offer or acceptance of an offer to engage in sexual activity in exchange for something of economic value

The laws specifically state that the exchange itself is illegal not the intent. So who gets gratification from the end result is irrelevant. However media/art (content doesn't matter) is protected under first amendment rights and supersede the laws against prostitution which is something I do agree with.

But for the context of this discussion which is "exchange of sex for value", the rights protected by the 1st amendment is irrelevant. THe real issue is whether 2c:34-1 (and the like in other states) unfairly supersede a individual right to have choice over their own body and lives.

We already have precedence in certain counties of Nevada in which rights of the individual to choose to work in the sex trade is compatible with existing laws of that county. It offers protections to the individuals that are not possible with existing laws in other states.

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Old 06-29-2015, 07:03 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Government as pimp? How fitting.
In the case of taxation of sex trade services, government is no more of a pimp than they are a distributor of addictive and health threatening substances in cigarettes. Taxation from an economic view is to remove money from circulation (final intent varies)... its not to take direct control of the good or service being taxed.

Personally, I believe pimps (as they are known today.. ie street) should be outright be treated as perpetrators of human trafficking. Many hold women against their will to work for them and take money under threat of violence. Individual rights should mean that the prostitute has the right over their own body and will. Just like any of us in more traditional jobs, we have the right to leave our employer at any time on our free will.

Reputable escort services provide clientele and limited protections for the girls they work. For that purpose, the girls are essentially paying the service a fee (percentage of their earnings) for access to a certain level of clientele in a safer environment. The girls work and leave as they please. "At Will" employment is imperative for any healthy work environment.... it is the difference between servitude and employment.

It is difficult to promote safe worker-employer-service relationships in the sex trade because they are all illegal. Once made legal, it can be contained, regulated, taxed, attract good intention employers/business entities, and provide protections to the employees. It should be treated just like any legal vice (alcohol, firearm, gambling, etc) product/service today.

I'm a father of 3. Just like alcohol, firearms, gambling and the like, I don't want my children exposed to those things until a certain maturity is achieved. No different from some of the working girls who are mothers. So while I support the legalization of prostitution, I think it should be heavily regulated. Promote an incentive for prostitutes to ply their trade in safe working environments in privacy and de-incentivize street prostitution. No different from alcohol... sale of alcohol in licensed bars is legal but the sale of alcohol on the street is illegal.
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Old 06-29-2015, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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It should be made legal for women to sell sex without going to jail. The women are not harming anyone when they do so. Its time for America to move forward with legal prostitution. They can even tax it if they like.
Agree. I do believe these women need to pay their fair share of tax. It is all I am asking.

My grandparents made their fortune overseas, they still paid American tax because they were U.S. Citizens. So don't tell me the "under the table $$$" shouldn't be taxed.

Although I don't have statistic to back this up, I assume that legal Prostitution Would Reduce Violence And Sex Crimes argument makes sense.

Sex workers should enjoy some employment rights. Pay tax, get health care coverage, enjoy equal employment protection under the law. Everyone is happy.

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Old 06-29-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Liberals have found a way to suck up some money by going after the sex trade, which was at one time tolerated. Murder of innocents and gay "marriage" really fall into a different category. These are just wedge issues by which they frighten the great unwashed. It's not really working all that well as Republicans control the US House, US Senate, 62% of governorships, and 70% of state legislative bodies.

These are two different matters. One is a scheme to suck up money, and the other is a scheme to suck up votes. I do agree overall with your contention that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Actually, believing anyone who disagrees with you has a mental disorder is a mental disorder itself.

Paranoia strikes deep.
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