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Old 06-28-2015, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Or maybe you live in a United States where some people are obsessed with their fear of a tool and just want to pretend that it's more that that to make themselves feel better.

That argument can be made in both directions and neither is germane to the actual issue. The right of self defense - the most basic right there is. It has nothing to do with obsession and everything to do with the tool that in most circumstances, but admittedly not all, is most suited for the job.
Oh, I think guns are fun, but I am aware that they aren't the answer to all our problems.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Bowling Green, KY
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71 percent of violent offenders are rearrested.
We can make a dent in our gun violence if we start treating gun crime as a federal offense. Mandatory 10 years if you use a gun in crime. 5 years mandatory if you illegally possess a firearm.
Is a person killed with a baseball bat any less dead than one shot with a gun? It's not the tool that determines the crime, it's the crime.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:36 PM
 
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And the point is to make it NOT easy for criminals to have access to guns. I have no interest in making it more easy for criminals.
brilliant idea, you come up with that on your own? can you come up with laws that will end the black market, and not infringe on the right lf law abiding citizens?
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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brilliant idea, you come up with that on your own? can you come up with laws that will end the black market, and not infringe on the right lf law abiding citizens?
When guns are harder to acquire, the cost on the black market goes up because it is harder for them to get ahold of their guns. The black market isn't an actual market you can just stroll up to and buy some guns. And a criminal who can afford that high price of guns isn't going to be the terrorists who shoots up a bunch of people or the two bit meth addict trying to break into people's houses.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:55 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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So basically, guns should be easy for everyone to get because you don't want to inconvenience yourself to prevent criminals from getting guns.
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And the point is to make it NOT easy for criminals to have access to guns. I have no interest in making it more easy for criminals.
You can strum out on your guitar as many peace songs as you like, even sing Kumbaya. That has not the least influence on the bad people.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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On the other hand, 34 people die by a gun for every homeowner who protects himself with a gun. Them's not good numbers.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You can strum out on your guitar as many peace songs as you like, even sing Kumbaya. That has not the least influence on the bad people.
Neither does the pop gun you hold at night to keep you safe from the boogieman.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:26 AM
 
Location: O.C.
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Lowest registered guns maybe, not sure I buy into the idea that they have the lowest gun ownership.
That includes legal and illegal firearms. Gun homicides are so rare, they don't even keep recorded stats for it, yet there have been two mass murders with gunmen killing a total of 59 people in the past few months. So again I ask gun control advocates, how is that "no guns means no gun violence" theory working out in Tunisia?

While the U.S. had 12,179 reported gun homicides in 2008, Tunisia does not even have recorded stats for gun homicides, but its total number of homicides (by any method) for the same year was just 117.

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Old 06-29-2015, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That includes legal and illegal firearms

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So we know how gunpolicy.org does their research to count the number of legal and illegal gun owners in Tunisia? Sounds quite skeptical, especially seeing they just had a revolution in the beginning of 2011.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:33 AM
 
Location: O.C.
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So we know how gunpolicy.org does their research to count the number of legal and illegal gun owners in Tunisia? Sounds quite skeptical, especially seeing they just had a revolution in the beginning of 2011.
Ok, please share your conclusive study that proves this is incorrect data and Tunisia does not have the lowest gun ownership rate in the world. We will be awaiting your results anxiously.
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