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I'm all for making it harder for criminals to get guns as well, but not at the expense of making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain one. When you figure out how to accomplish the one without the other, let us know.
This reminds me of a totally unrelated situation that involves the same mindset. A trail where I jog every day has a couple of public bathrooms. They are locked because of vandalism. Same mindset: let's punish everyone for the deeds of a few morons.
Why not go after the morons? Do you gun-banning-nuts really think average Joe, who has never broken a law in his life suddenly becomes an Al Capone if he has a firearm in his home to defend his family and property?
Well you know what they say, when the facts don't match your ideals, call the facts false. Well if you have better more accurate facts, I would love to see them.
All your claimed facts don't say anything about the increase in gun owners, it just means gun owners are buying more guns. How many guns do you currently own?
There is no evidence that there are fewer owners. A 1500 person survey is not representative of gun ownership in a country of 320 million. Especially since gun owners are not particularly forthcoming about this type of information.
Everything else points to increased gun ownership.
Again you keep calling a small survey "facts".
A small sample survey is only a guesstimate, but anti gun folks try to pass this off as fact even though the FBI says there is no accurate way to compile this information because guns are not registered. There is no central database.
We do know that gun sales have skyrocketed. To believe gun ownership is down, gun owners would have to be stockpiling many, many guns.
If it gives you comfort to believe this small survey as the bible, then go for it. But it is the opposite of all other indicators.
Ah yes, you guys love making that argument. So if the justification for not having laws is that they can't 100% stop people from contradicting them, it follows that society should have no laws at all. In other words, no restrictions and no bans on anything. And ok, if that's the ideal, then why are conservatives being such petulant little babies about gay marriage bans being dropped? After all, there is a no law that can keep people from doing something. You should be celebrating this. It's exactly what you wanted!
I blew that argument up a few posts above this post....
It's funny though, more laws seem to be the fix....hows that working for drunk driving...and oh oh oh...thw war on drugs....
Your responses are hillarious in the sense that you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal and "my buddy Biden"
I see you don't say he is not...
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Has it ever occured in your polarized world that one could have various opinions without belonging to either political persuasion
Absolutely, but you seem to be doing the exact same thing, I'm wrong...period...
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All of your links you posted are nonsense because you are somehow trying to insinuate that the decrease in crime is related to more people owning guns yet Americans today own fewer guns than any time since statistics have been kept. In 1977...55% of Americans own guns, today its 30%...yet somehow gun deaths are lower...what a suprise
No, you have been shown the truth, you don't like it...
Why will more laws work if they are not enforced? Go ahead, explain....
No, I live in the US, where we have an obsession with guns that clearly some people either fail to see or just want to pretend it doesn't exist to make themselves feel better.
When are you going to bring gang violence into this, or are you conveniently just blowing that off as all anti gunners do..
This is where people such s you fail to understand or just don't care (and it may never be documented) that gang killing are part of all these killings....
Hell if you take suicide out your equation, your argument is damn near mute....
Maybe we need to be more strict on people who commit actual crimes and those that are repeat offenders, that might actually solve more problems than more guns in people's hands.
How about we just use the current laws we have?
I've posted the link (page 2) were ole joe say we don't have time to do that?
Question for you, how did the bad guy get a gun? Solve that problem and you start preventing mass shootings rather relying on random armed people to hopefully act and use their guns for good.
ok, now solve the problem of people stealing guns from law abiding citizens, using them to commit crimes, and them selling them on to another criminal through the black market, where there is NO government regulation by the way. until you can eliminate the black market, you will never stop criminals from getting guns.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78 Maybe we need to be more strict on people who commit actual crimes and those that are repeat offenders, that might actually solve more problems than more guns in people's hands.
that would be nice, but every time a politician says we need to be tougher on crime, the populace objects and votes for the guy that is giving stuff away, and always looking to "rehabilitate" criminals. or when a state makes a law that make for tougher sentencing for crimes committed, the ACLU jumps up and sues the state for making sentencing laws that are too tough, or the people rise up and demand the laws be changed, ro they vote out those that are tough on crime.
Maybe we need to be more strict on people who commit actual crimes and those that are repeat offenders, that might actually solve more problems than more guns in people's hands.
71 percent of violent offenders are rearrested.
We can make a dent in our gun violence if we start treating gun crime as a federal offense. Mandatory 10 years if you use a gun in crime. 5 years mandatory if you illegally possess a firearm.
Well you know what they say, when the facts don't match your ideals, call the facts false. Well if you have better more accurate facts, I would love to see them.
All your claimed facts don't say anything about the increase in gun owners, it just means gun owners are buying more guns. How many guns do you currently own?
Cool, what your definition of an "obsession" then?
Is it your definition, or everyone's definition?
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