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I thought Bush did a good job right after we were attacked on 911...
Everyone rallied behind him. All over the world. It was a singular moment in which to reshape both domestic and global visions of the future. Bush botched it completely.
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...but he made a very bad decision to attack Iraq (which of course Hillary and most Democrats supported by the way).
No, by the way, they didn't. As was explained earlier. Pay more attention.
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he definitely was more of a liberal spender than Bill Clinton (who is an economic conservative)...
I think you meant FISCAL conservative versus liberal, but the difference between Clinton and Bush on the spending front would have been that between rational and insane. Bush was almost literally trying to spend the nation into bankruptcy so as to make it impossible to fund social welfare programs ever again.
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...and he handled the economic impact of the 911 attack very well.
There WAS no significant economic impact. Landfall by any decent sized hurricane does as much damage as that. Most do more.
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Where he really screwed up besides attacking Iraq, was not getting us out of there 2 years before the 2008 election to give the next Republican a chance without the albatross of Iraq hanging around his neck.
LOL! Cut-and-run? That's just a hoot!
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But then he really screwed up when he didn't shut down the government and allowed Nancy and Harry to crash the economy in his last year in office.
Dude, the economy crashed because of all the Wall Street free-marketeering crap and exploitation that Bush and the Republicans had tolerated, pushed, and hailed between 2002 and 2006. After that, the horses were all out of the barn. The only questions left were where would it all hit first, and how bad was it really going to be.
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Overall I would grade Bush about C- and Obama D+...both have been mediocre Presidents.
The ONLY grade that can be given to Bush-43 is the lowest form of F possible. His only success came in the African AIDS initiative. EVERYTHING else turned into some hideous further example of some form of miserable disgrace and failure.
Clinton made some mistakes, as all Presidents do. Overall, he was orders of magnitude better than Bush-43 and a big help in pushing recovery from the economic and political failings of Reagan and Bush-41. He deserves at least a B/B-.
Obama of course has had to battle the supposedly loyal opposition more than any other real problem. His first two years were first rate -- an easy A under the circumstances. Encumbered by stupid obstructionist Republicans since however, things have not gone as well. Energy bill stalled. Immigration bill stalled. Naming new post offices stalled. No cooperation in governance at all from the other side since 2011. Makes it hard to come up with an interim grade for Obama.
People give the president way to much credit and/or blame for the economy.
That may be true, but you give him way, way too little. Presidents in fact chart and sail an economic course that affects every single American. That's not a trvial thing.
But Obama got gay marriage legalized, and marijuana legalized in some states...
not that he did anything to help it, but he was in office at the time so he gets to claim credit. Just like how Bush gets credit for 2008 crash...
So Obama won over the generation of young voters to democrat side... Hey I'm a democrat, simply because I don't care about the conservative's social views. If they just kept the talk to economics and government, I would be more incline to vote with them once in a while. But they keep opening their mouth and gun/marriage/abortion keeps coming out >.> If people didn't know any better, they would think that that is all the party cares about. To be able to own guns to shoot gays and abortion providers.... oh, and to deny healthcare to people.
Really, the conservatives need to start talking about things outside of social issues, because that isn't winning them any goodwill. It isn't like the people that support them will support them less if they stop talking about it. But they will turn away people because they talk about it.
Everyone rallied behind him. All over the world. It was a singular moment in which to reshape both domestic and global visions of the future. Bush botched it completely.
It's interesting to contemplate how different our world might be if Gore had been in office instead of Bush.
Though I agree that a president's influence is less than most believe, the Neocon agenda wouldn't have made such great gains. I think an invasion of Afghanistan and certainly Iraq would have been unlikely. Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have occurred in the first place.
It's interesting to contemplate how different our world might be if Gore had been in office instead of Bush...Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have occurred in the first place.
what? 9/11 didn't happen because they were protesting Bush... it didn't really matter who was president at the time
no matter what if someone does do reform; its the road to Greece. Too many can not be dependent on too few producing wealth more and more. That wealth represents producing a service or product valude by society.If you look around the world its got to breaking point and is effecting many nations now. Either we stop or it stops us; as Greece is going thru.
no matter what if someone does do reform; its the road to Greece. Too many can not be dependent on too few producing wealth more and more. That wealth represents producing a service or product valude by society.If you look around the world its got to breaking point and is effecting many nations now. Either we stop or it stops us; as Greece is going thru.
Too many dependent on too few producing wealth? Who is producing wealth and who isn't?
Greece's problem was caused by debt acquired to fuel consumption, to compensate for a perpetual trade deficit. Since the globalization project started in earnest around 35 years ago, many developed countries have suffered a similar fate, but the Euro is what makes Greece's situation particularly problematic. Else the currency value could compensate.
If Hillary gets in I think we can expect 4 more years of Obama left leaning politics.
Kindly remember that the most prosperous economy we had in years was during the years the team of Bill and Hillary were in charge. Times are tougher now, but I think she still remembers the important line "it's the economy, stupid," and I believe she really does want the middle class to be prosperous and will work to make it so.
Trump just wants gold faucets and heavy brocade and bragging rights for being even more powerful than he already is (in his own mind).
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