Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Has that ever happened? Have the KKK or neo-nazis been refused service? The only incident I know of is the incident in Pennsylvania, where some bakery refused to make a cake inscribed with "Happy Birthday, Hitler", or something like that.
I would think groups like the two you mentioned would be a tad paranoid about ordering food from just anywhere.
Probably their mommies and wives cater their 'affairs'.
Yes it has happened. A court ruled that these groups didn't have to be served because that would be "compelling speech or expression" or some double standard justification like that.
You are just creating strawman out of straw and comparing apples and oranges. Has your imagined scenarios ever happened? A business licenses is a business license that is not and never been a concern of Christians and jews. A marriage license is a marriage licenses. Marriage and sexual behavior is a concern to some religious or conscientious objectors.
If "religious belief" would allow one government employee to not do their job, then why wouldn't that apply to all "religious beliefs"?
Where are all the Catholic Court Clerks with deeply held religious beliefs refusing to issue Marriage Licenses to Divorced Couples? Seems THEY are somehow reconciling their religious beliefs to their official duties. Marital status is on the application so they certainly know if an official divorce has been decreed. Do they ask to see Annulment Papers from Rome first? Where is the outrage against the SIN OF ADULTERY, and their compliance in it?
Crickets...............
So they can't decide where they want to draw the line? Everything is black and white, either or?
You are just creating strawman out of straw and comparing apples and oranges. Has your imagined scenarios ever happened? A business licenses is a business license that is not and never been a concern of Christians and jews. A marriage license is a marriage licenses. Marriage and sexual behavior is a concern to some religious or conscientious objectors.
So, how about those Catholic clerks issuing marriage licenses to couples where one or both have been divorced? Are they asking for annulment decrees before issuing the marriage licenses?
Yes it has happened. A court ruled that these groups didn't have to be served because that would be "compelling speech or expression" or some double standard justification like that.
Yes, because it was not a product that the business offered for sale. Did any of the bakery cases not sell wedding cakes?
Yes, because it was not a product that the business offered for sale. Did any of the bakery cases not sell wedding cakes?
Didn't you say baked goods don't and can't have identity? You never run out of claiming yeah but exceptions. When it's the other side, no exceptions! It's either all or none!
Because it never has before? Why would a strawman not apply when it's a strawman?
It hasn't happened before didn't prevent some county clerks from refusing to issue marriage licenses this time. So it isn't a strawman argument. It's an exercise in logic. If a county clerk can cite religious beliefs as an excuse to not do his or her job, then a county clerk can cite religious beliefs as an excuse to not perform their duties. Religious beliefs cover a broad spectrum, from food prohibitions, to same-sex marriage. What makes one religious belief a valid excuse to not do your job, while a different religious belief is deemed invalid?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
